Re: [DNSOP] Incremental zone hash - XHASH
George Michaelson <ggm@algebras.org> Fri, 20 July 2018 12:37 UTC
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From: George Michaelson <ggm@algebras.org>
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2018 08:37:23 -0400
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Incremental zone hash - XHASH
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The intent (to me at least) is to be able to use exterior fetch, *not* DNS, to source this as a file. curl. wget. ncftp. rsync. the "thing" is a file object. It almost certainly is in near-canonical sort order already. Its a stream of characters, probably in bind-normal form. If you can compute the path through the labels and the chain of NSEC regions and the expected hadda-yadda-dadda.. you don't *need* a digest. If you have a digest, and its already in near canonical order, then *cost* to compute "is the file exactly as the publisher wrote it" is low. And, since its a signature under the ZSK, its not just "its as the publisher said" its "the publisher knows the ZSK" which is strong enough to say: "just load it" So, I ask: is this incremental method applicable to this model? Sure, works for giant zone. What about a root zone? Do I need this? Also.. glue. -G On Fri, Jul 20, 2018 at 6:31 AM, Mark Andrews <marka@isc.org> wrote: > Rather than having a full zone hash this can be done as a chain > of hashes (XHASH). > > The XHASH would include all records at a signed name (where a signed > name is NOT an NSEC3 name) up until the next signed name (where a > signed name is NOT a NSEC3 name) in DNSSEC order similar to ZONEMD. > If there is a NSEC3 record and its RRSIGs in this range it is included > in the hash computation. Where a NSEC3 record matches the name of a > record that exists in the zone it is hashed with that name. The record > type appears at both top and bottom of zone similar to NS. > > The chain is only deemed to be complete if there is a hash record at > the zone apex. This allows for incremental construction and destruction > of the XHASH chain similar to the way the presence of NSEC at the zone > apex indicates that chain is complete. > > If there are records that are not at or under the zone apex they are included > in the final XHASH of the zone sorting from the zone apex to the end of the > namespace then from the start of the namespace to the zone apex. Such records > at not normally visible to queries other than AXFR/IXFR. AXFR/IXFR permit such > records. > > XHASH would allow for UPDATE to incrementally adjust the chain without > having to hash the entire zone at once. > > XHASH would allow for a slave server to verify a zone is still complete > after a IXFR by just checking the areas of the zone impacted by the IXFR. > > e.g. > > example.com SOA > example.com NS ns.example.com > example.com DNSKEY … > example.com NSEC a.example.com NS SOA RRSIG NSEC DNSKEY XHASH > example.com XHASH … > > a.example.com NS ns.a.example.com > a.example.com NSEC b.example.com NS RRSIG NSEC XHASH > a.example.com XHASH … > ns.a.example.com A … > > b.example.com NS ns.b.example.com > b.example.com NSEC ns.example.com NS RRSIG NSEC XHASH > b.example.com XHASH … > ns.b.example.com A … > > ns.example.com A … > ns.example.com AAAA … > ns.example.com NSEC example.com A AAAA RRSIG NSEC XHASH > ns.example.com XHASH … > > Each of the groupings shows which records plus RRSIGs that are > included in the XHASH calculation. > > To prevent removal/introduction of RRSIGs of XHASH records a DNSKEY > flag bit is be needed to indicate which RRSIG(XHASH) should/should not > be present once the chain is complete. The same applies to RRSIG(ZONEMD). > > Verification of a AXFR would be slightly slower than with ZONEMD as there > are more RRSIG records to be processed, > > > -- > Mark Andrews, ISC > 1 Seymour St., Dundas Valley, NSW 2117, Australia > PHONE: +61 2 9871 4742 INTERNET: marka@isc.org > > _______________________________________________ > DNSOP mailing list > DNSOP@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dnsop
- Re: [DNSOP] Incremental zone hash - XHASH Mark Andrews
- [DNSOP] Incremental zone hash - XHASH Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] Incremental zone hash - XHASH George Michaelson
- Re: [DNSOP] Incremental zone hash - XHASH Mark Andrews
- Re: [DNSOP] Incremental zone hash - XHASH Paul Vixie
- Re: [DNSOP] Incremental zone hash - XHASH Wessels, Duane
- Re: [DNSOP] Incremental zone hash - XHASH Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] Incremental zone hash - XHASH Warren Kumari
- Re: [DNSOP] Incremental zone hash - XHASH Joe Abley
- Re: [DNSOP] Incremental zone hash - XHASH Paul Wouters
- Re: [DNSOP] Incremental zone hash - XHASH Wessels, Duane
- Re: [DNSOP] Incremental zone hash - XHASH Ondřej Surý
- Re: [DNSOP] Incremental zone hash - XHASH Wes Hardaker