Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Presentation "The Camel"

Joao Damas <joao@bondis.org> Tue, 20 March 2018 16:04 UTC

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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] DNSOP Presentation "The Camel"
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Camels are indeed great animals and they can be loaded until eventually one more insignificant straw breaks their back. I guess that is were Bert thinks the DNS is at now and I don’t completely disagree

Joao

> On 20 Mar 2018, at 15:12, Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr>; wrote:
> 
> On Tue, Mar 20, 2018 at 07:29:50AM +0000,
> tjw ietf <tjw.ietf@gmail.com>; wrote 
> a message of 94 lines which said:
> 
>> At the end of Tuesday's session we're having Bert Hubert from Power DNS
>> give a talk on what he views "The Camel".
> 
> Unlike the popular saying
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Design_by_committee#Aphorisms>;, camels
> are extraordinary animals, well adapted to their harsh environment
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camel#Ecological_and_behavioral_adaptations>
> and usable for many things, even war
> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camel_cavalry>;. If the DNS is a camel,
> this is great!
> 
>> "In past years, DNS has been enhanced with DNSSEC, QName
>> Minimization, [...]
> 
> I dispute the idea that QNAME minimization is an addition. It is not a
> change in the protocol, and it was even possible from the beginning
> (Section 5.3.3 of [RFC1034] or Section 7.2 of [RFC1035] do NOT mandate
> QNAME maximimization, it is just an accidental evolution).
> 
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