Re: [DNSOP] Comments on draft-ietf-dnsop-qname-minimisation-00.txt

"Darcy Kevin (FCA)" <kevin.darcy@fcagroup.com> Thu, 30 October 2014 20:46 UTC

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From: "Darcy Kevin (FCA)" <kevin.darcy@fcagroup.com>
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Comments on draft-ietf-dnsop-qname-minimisation-00.txt
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Isn't "doing the minimum necessary to get the job done" pretty much the definition of "optimization" (or, for that matter, "efficiency")? "Minimize" means, basically, only "to make small"; whereas "optimization" or "efficiency" means to reduce something, relative to something else, for a particular purpose or to achieve a particular end.

_De_gustabis_. I don't have any strong preferences one way or the other, I just think shortening QNAMEs is an odd way to _introduce_ what the proposal purports to do. Once one comprehends the gist of the proposal, then it makes sense, but for historical reference and information retrieval, one wants to choose a title that most intuitively yet concisely describes what is/was proposed.

												- Kevin

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From: Paul Vixie [mailto:paul@redbarn.org] 
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Subject: Re: [DNSOP] Comments on draft-ietf-dnsop-qname-minimisation-00.txt

the term "query minimization" appeals to me since each server, during iteration, sees the minimum substring of the qname needed.