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[DNSOP] Re: [DNSOP]Re: [Ext] Requesting final comments on draft-ietf-dnsop-rfc8109bis

Tim Wicinski <tjw.ietf@gmail.com> Mon, 17 June 2024 16:53 UTC

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From: Tim Wicinski <tjw.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2024 12:52:43 -0400
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On Mon, Jun 17, 2024 at 12:19 PM Joe Abley <jabley@strandkip.nl> wrote:

> On 17 Jun 2024, at 17:54, Tim Wicinski <tjw.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Oh that's a very good point, and does make that assumption.   "will be
> valuable if root-servers.net is DNSSEC signed" does not make that
> assumption.
>
>
> It perhaps narrowly avoids one of the assumptions I mentioned but it still
> warmly embraces the other one.
>
> I still think this text speculates about the future and I still don't know
> why we think that is a good idea.
>
>
The more I think about this, I believe you are correct that we can not make
any assumptions about the future.

It then feels like that last paragraph is removed.  Thoughts?

tim


> Joe
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