Re: [dnssd] draft-sekar-dns-ul

Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Wed, 04 August 2021 20:16 UTC

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From: Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com>
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Subject: Re: [dnssd] draft-sekar-dns-ul
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 Ah, okay. Thanks! I think we are covered: the availability of additional
edns0 options addresses the requirement stated in the iab document.


On Wed, Aug 4 2021 at 13:42, Chris Box <chris.box.ietf@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ted,
>
> Just picking up on some of the key points.
>
> On Mon, 2 Aug 2021 at 14:40, Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> The reason for the KEY having a different lease time is so that the
>> domain name can be claimed without being usable for service discovery. When
>> the other records expire, the KEY remains to hold the name until it
>> expires, so if the host renews before then, no other host can claim the
>> name. We could do this for some other record, but the KEY record has the
>> virtue that it's useful for authentication. It's true that this is
>> currently only used by SRP, though. We could make this apply to more
>> records, but I don't know of a use case for that, and if we come up with
>> one later we can add another EDNS0 option—the number space is not small.
>>
>
> Understood. I don't have a strong opinion; it's one for the working group
> to ponder (along with the IPR).
>
>
>> Is it worth looking at the draft through the lens of the EDM program? For
>>> example should it be extensible to separate out other RRtypes? Should
>>> greasing come into the picture? The answer might be "not in this case", but
>>> I thought it worth at least thinking about.
>>>
>>
>> I have no idea what this means—can you elaborate?
>>
>
> This is
> https://www.iab.org/activities/programs/evolvability-deployability-maintainability-edm-program/
> .
>
> I was particularly thinking of the "E" part:
>
> Evolvability: Encourage protocols to design for extensibility and
> greasing, and promote the use of extension points to prevent ossification.
> Make it easy for people, especially those who aren’t steeped in IETF
> process, to know which extension points are the right ones to use for a
> given protocol (and which ones should be considered more stable/ossified),
> and make sure there aren’t high allocation barriers to use those extension
> points.
>
>
> This draft elaborates:
> https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/html/draft-iab-use-it-or-lose-it-01
>
> Chris
>