Re: [dnssd] Barry Leiba's Yes on draft-ietf-dnssd-prireq-05: (with COMMENT)

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From: "Eric Vyncke (evyncke)" <evyncke@cisco.com>
To: Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org>, Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net>
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Subject: Re: [dnssd] Barry Leiba's Yes on draft-ietf-dnssd-prireq-05: (with COMMENT)
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Christian, Daniel,

Based on the IESG statement below, please update the document (after the telechat) to include those references as normative.

Thank you

-éric

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From: iesg <iesg-bounces@ietf.org> on behalf of Barry Leiba <barryleiba@computer.org>
Date: Wednesday, 26 February 2020 at 17:49
To: Christian Huitema <huitema@huitema.net>
Cc: David Schinazi <dschinazi.ietf@gmail.com>om>, "dnssd@ietf.org" <dnssd@ietf.org>rg>, "dnssd-chairs@ietf.org" <dnssd-chairs@ietf.org>rg>, The IESG <iesg@ietf.org>rg>, "draft-ietf-dnssd-prireq@ietf.org" <draft-ietf-dnssd-prireq@ietf.org>
Subject: Re: [dnssd] Barry Leiba's Yes on draft-ietf-dnssd-prireq-05: (with COMMENT)

    Thanks, Christian, and I appreciate your quick response.
    
    > I am not enthusiastic about "normative references in informational
    > documents". I will wait for Eric's advice on that one, assuming that he
    > will carry the IESG consensus on that topic.
    
    Éric and I will discuss it.  Meanwhile, I'll note that the IESG said
    this in 2006: https://www.ietf.org/about/groups/iesg/statements/normative-informative-references/
    
    "Normative references specify documents that must be read to
    understand or implement the technology in the new RFC, or whose
    technology must be present for the technology in the new RFC to work."
    
    and
    
    "Note 3: The normative/informative distinction is relevant in any
    document that amounts to a technical specification, even if its
    intended status is Experimental or Informational."
    
    Barry