Re: [Doh] Mozilla's plans re: DoH

Vittorio Bertola <vittorio.bertola@open-xchange.com> Thu, 28 March 2019 20:41 UTC

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>     Il 28 marzo 2019 alle 12.29 Stephen Farrell < stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie mailto:stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie > ha scritto:
> 
> 
> 
>     Hiya,
> 
>     On 28/03/2019 08:44, Vittorio Bertola wrote:
> 
>         > >         The problem is that, in DoH's "obfuscated traffic mode" (is that
> >         better than "dissident mode"?),
> > 
> >     >     Better, but still not good:-) I'm not sure we ought think about
>     different modes of operation at all tbh - that may be assuming
>     that we're dealing with a single dimension when we're not.
> 
Well, this is a discussion that we need to have, and having it without clear terminology makes it confusing. We could name the different technical deployment models that have been mentioned (port 443 on dedicated IP addresses, new protocol-specific port, or port 443 on existing web servers) without attributing them directly to any use case (this is why I agree that "dissident mode" is a bad name). Once we have them, we could discuss whether different use cases would benefit from different models.

Same for the rest - I am happy to let you challenge my proposals, but first of all we should focus on an agreed statement of the issues.

> 
>         > >         More generally, beware that if you build an Internet that is designed
> >         to work as if everyone on the planet were a dissident in an
> >         authoritarian country, it is not unlikely that you will then get an
> >         Internet regulatory and access environment that looks like the one of
> >         authoritarian countries, even in democratic ones.
> > 
> >     >     +1 to what Adam said.
> 
Ok, but is this off topic or not? I replied to Adam privately, I am happy to do it in public as well.

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