Re: [Doh] Mozilla's plans re: DoH
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Subject: Re: [Doh] Mozilla's plans re: DoH
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Hi, -----Ursprüngliche Nachricht----- Von: Doh <doh-bounces@ietf.org> Im Auftrag von Neil Cook Gesendet: Mittwoch, 27. März 2019 17:15 An: DoH WG <doh@ietf.org> Betreff: Re: [Doh] Mozilla's plans re: DoH >> On 27 Mar 2019, at 09:24, Eric Rescorla <ekr@rtfm.com> wrote: >> >>Now with the numbered lists correctly formatted: >> >> I’ve heard a number of questions about Mozilla’s plans around DoH. >> We’ve made a number of public statements, but it might be useful to >> try to put this all in one place. >> >> In context, the problem we are attempting to solve here is attack on >> the user’s name resolution from an attacker with full or partial >> control of the network, as contemplated by Section 3 of BCP 72 as well >> as BCP 188. There’s ample evidence of monitoring/manipulation of user >> traffic via this vector [0][1][2]. Importantly, this includes cases >> where the entity which owns the network infrastructure monitors and/or >> modifies DNS requests and responses without the user’s consent. >> > > But Mozilla doesn’t know whether the modification is with or without the user’s consent. As the various drafts that have been presented this week attempt to > make clear, there are a large number of use cases where users actively want the modification of their DNS (parental control, enterprise networks, > malware/phishing detection, botnet C&C communication disruption etc.), indeed they may even be paying for such a service. That is a very valid assumption. And if they pay for the service they also expect that the service will work and does not break if they install a new client (browser/app/...) on their end systems. In most of the cases they even do not know were a functionality is implemented and they do not change default settings (which is fine, because "default" usually means that nothing will break). From my experience a new default disabling an existing feature (malware/phishing protection, DNS64, Load Balancing, ...) will lead to problems. Regards Nic
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