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Re: [Doh] [DNSOP] [EXTERNAL] Re: New I-D: draft-reid-doh-operator

Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> Mon, 25 March 2019 11:15 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Doh] [DNSOP] [EXTERNAL] Re: New I-D: draft-reid-doh-operator
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I think if you review my position on this list and elsewhere you will be reminded that I find the user interface aspects of all of this anything but simple, which is one reason there is a tussle in the first place.  Do not confuse my observation with “glib treatment”.  That would show a poor understanding of what a tussle is.

Eliot



> On 25 Mar 2019, at 10:24, Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net> wrote:
> 
> On Mon, Mar 25, 2019, at 10:13, Eliot Lear wrote:
>> Putting aside legal language, but Brian’s basic notion is that the user 
>> can make an informed decision and the network can express its policies, 
>> with which the user can agree or not agree (and go elsewhere). Having 
>> the protocol elements to permit this sort of agreement is its own 
>> tussle.
> 
> I would encourage people who would like to participate in aspects of that tussle to join the capport working group.  
> 
> WEDNESDAY, March 27, 2019
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> The glib treatment of the role of informed consent here is probably worth some more discussion, but this thread is beyond the point that I consider it to be productive.
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