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Re: [Doh] GDPR and DoH

Jim Reid <jim@rfc1035.com> Sun, 07 April 2019 16:29 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Doh] GDPR and DoH
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On 7 Apr 2019, at 15:07, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> wrote:
> 
> From the above, it sounds like you agree there is no effect on
> the DoH WG.

I didn’t say that Stephen.

IMO GDPR has no impact on the DoH *protocol*. GDPR does have an impact on how that protocol gets used and deployed. This needs to be discussed at the IETF and the obvious home for that discussion seems to be the DoH WG - at least for now. The WG is explicitly chartered to work on DoH’s security and privacy issues. If not there, then where?

You said you "agree that we need to consider GDPR issues, where they exist” and seem to be saying that there are no new GDPR issues caused by DoT/DoH. Well, the issues are new. Sort of. Although they’ve been around for a while, as you said they “have been largely or totally ignored until very recently”. Maybe they should have been discussed earlier. But that earlier non-discussion doesn’t seem to me to be a valid reason for dismissing these concerns now that they have been raised. YMMV.

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