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Re: [Doh] [Ext] panel discussion on DoH/DoC

Adam Roach <adam@nostrum.com> Thu, 07 February 2019 15:46 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Doh] [Ext] panel discussion on DoH/DoC
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On 2/7/19 9:36 AM, Paul Hoffman wrote:
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>> although not the use case that subsequently emerged, where browsers do it instead of using the local resolver.
> A browser vendor (Mozilla) does use a cloud provider as their default DoH server. That browser vendor has not explained why.


The claim that Firefox has a cloud provider as its default DoH server 
isn't wrong on its face, but the implication that Firefox uses DoH by 
default is.

The claim that Mozilla has not explained why, however, is flatly false. 
There's been a lot of electronic ink spilled on the topic; including, 
notably: 
https://blog.nightly.mozilla.org/2018/06/01/improving-dns-privacy-in-firefox/

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