Re: [Doh] [hrpc] Proposal for a side-meeting on services centralization at IETF 104 Prague

Eliot Lear <lear@cisco.com> Tue, 12 March 2019 07:19 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Doh] [hrpc] Proposal for a side-meeting on services centralization at IETF 104 Prague
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Warren,

I would suggest that you wait on creating a new list.

I think Stephane was proposing an *in person* meeting, using the 104sidemeetings Wiki, and I’d like to see that happen first.  That also gives time for the dust from the release of these new drafts to settle a bit, so that the contours of what can be reasonably accomplished becomes more clear.

Eliot


> On 12 Mar 2019, at 07:45, Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 1:58 AM Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr <mailto:bortzmeyer@nic.fr>> wrote:
> [Sorry for the long list of working groups but the discussion already
> started in different places.]
> 
> There are been some discussion about DoH (DNS-over-HTTPS, RFC 8484)
> deployment and the risk of centralization of Internet services.
> (See
> for instance drafts [this is not an endorsement]
> draft-bertola-bcp-doh-clients, draft-reid-doh-operator and
> draft-livingood-doh-implementation-risks-issues.)
> 
> It was suggested <wikipedia>Reference necessary</wikipedia> to have a
> side meeting in Prague at IETF 104. I propose monday, 1400-1600 in
> Tyrolka. The proposal is at
> <https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ietf/meeting/wiki/104sidemeetings <https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ietf/meeting/wiki/104sidemeetings>>. You
> are welcome to agree/disagree/meet in a bar instead.
> 
> [ Replying here instead of bottom of thread ]
> 
> Thank you for proposing / organizing this - there has been a lot of discussions, but (as demonstrated by the list of WGs in the To: line) it is somewhat unclear where the discussions should happen -- I'm planning on asking the secretariat to please make us a mailing list to better focus the discussions -- does anyone have a strong objection to this?
> 
> (also, a good suggestion for a name would be helpful :-))
> 
> W
> 
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