Re: [Doh] On shutting down work on draft-ietf-doh-resolver-associated-doh

Tim Wicinski <tjw.ietf@gmail.com> Sat, 31 August 2019 21:55 UTC

Return-Path: <tjw.ietf@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: doh@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: doh@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5CEFB12013B for <doh@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 31 Aug 2019 14:55:53 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.998
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.998 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
Authentication-Results: ietfa.amsl.com (amavisd-new); dkim=pass (2048-bit key) header.d=gmail.com
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id smE96JTlbyDn for <doh@ietfa.amsl.com>; Sat, 31 Aug 2019 14:55:50 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-ot1-x330.google.com (mail-ot1-x330.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:4864:20::330]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9A3A3120122 for <doh@ietf.org>; Sat, 31 Aug 2019 14:55:50 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-ot1-x330.google.com with SMTP id o101so10259291ota.8 for <doh@ietf.org>; Sat, 31 Aug 2019 14:55:50 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=pDqD4PH0klggRrYMKFN79VZlsauyG7XHF+sm3z0ziW0=; b=q1rBAV36CgnZZZ3jVdeY1DHr/u08skIr1LA9v7IU0PdEvzf+YlzON0V+LK1D8f9mnP MsP0C64HuUi+2IEpFUH307KYBkMLZSOrsz+BtzFOvD0A+Gy4aVzhfO2N4QYId8T+rtjG Be0UyJA32qO+jaioK5rUwC3mrjyMvAk7Y3Wr/17qWbuN1fdLDIjPS2UV1mu33ZgnacWo AFszJGaI81wZWVBhXzVlwOB02S1ffrsef941FMEwkPVB2/oJxdSbpzOAOaYlRoRo5Wn8 uUVzypknp48XEfsDlMGox2LiERg9MdS6zKP0GSX9aIsvhrMOVvSy7gzK8uPws+ru/QVS r2NA==
X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=pDqD4PH0klggRrYMKFN79VZlsauyG7XHF+sm3z0ziW0=; b=mHBI2SLrQiRNeSIUwmx0s5MgjmHS8K8dr3h4y3GlOSXHFOO2ULlCmtLpRdQX36CBdu XluarhaQukt4wlhiRlo5cBmy9X6lH8nRu5CaZ6jliJyXpWrrDmhX28tBJVC6/TXgGcXj HcEeA5FGbRfORovtJ9vg3WxlCwFXK3kOycKms7oHHYE+AOHOgISRUb5EA+F39vluDR5d oZ8Xl2zC4qtIVh0AP0K+EpXXURUWjwArTIbSWA85dWyJN9cUFuyvBVButsb0R1ZA4fUC 9FQeWR2TsqCAU1Uls+FP5n3lbDJlApdgICxyqr5uPQEdmneIi89CqXFTGwgC/yo47tiT 1b3g==
X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAW58YTEZ+F0AUPJPhPmeN97xI2ndG3dHJPWUBsOXFmJf/pVbCZI z2ocgO7tbw/7F6w9czup1oheg5cHuIsE6kXKF7A=
X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqzTX2ciQ0nlYoz7IyuuFBrCywpc8XH6OwGG5HySfM/ZwASA3B5g6YL6UEbiCQKALu3+aFDoO3+e3p567cBjgcY=
X-Received: by 2002:a05:6830:1097:: with SMTP id y23mr18515125oto.4.1567288550033; Sat, 31 Aug 2019 14:55:50 -0700 (PDT)
MIME-Version: 1.0
References: <7401D41B-5E91-492F-A0D0-F0BED217C54A@icann.org> <23914.55721.648571.712258@gro.dd.org> <CAHw9_iKRDVjU1UpcWjDKHsA0apNeWFwUJgxcZDPbaS7Dcp0hyQ@mail.gmail.com> <CADyWQ+GKMqMGHg-Xb74rFrUdLJbMz1+JO0WHJW6f-f=mw=+j9A@mail.gmail.com> <CAHw9_i+iMiVM97oDOrLi09qJuhg-A-emRC_W8x=tmR4ewatVmA@mail.gmail.com>
In-Reply-To: <CAHw9_i+iMiVM97oDOrLi09qJuhg-A-emRC_W8x=tmR4ewatVmA@mail.gmail.com>
From: Tim Wicinski <tjw.ietf@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2019 17:55:39 -0400
Message-ID: <CADyWQ+FjyvyMRUNA4_JuW432m=rmtXDpDTMAtXvVOj=XFP8j0A@mail.gmail.com>
To: Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net>
Cc: Dave Lawrence <tale@dd.org>, doh WG <doh@ietf.org>
Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000490ccb059170cd51"
Archived-At: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/doh/M_omI281-YK6YaV2YOCHUfpM-xs>
Subject: Re: [Doh] On shutting down work on draft-ietf-doh-resolver-associated-doh
X-BeenThere: doh@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29
Precedence: list
List-Id: DNS Over HTTPS <doh.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/doh>, <mailto:doh-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/browse/doh/>
List-Post: <mailto:doh@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:doh-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/doh>, <mailto:doh-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Sat, 31 Aug 2019 21:55:54 -0000

I totally agree Warren.   As a working group chair, I have been conditioned
to see the world through the data tracker (not saying it's a good thing).



On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 5:47 PM Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net>; wrote:

> IMO, that’s good, but it’s only clear to people who view this through the
> datatracker - I still think it would be good to also put in. A (short)
> tombstone saying what happened, and why.
>
> W
>
> On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 5:45 PM Tim Wicinski <tjw.ietf@gmail.com>; wrote:
>
>> The chairs can either mark the old draft "Parked" Or "Dead" in the data
>> tracked and add a comment with a link to the current draft.
>>
>> I actually did the Datatracker stuff to mark
>> draft-sah-resolver-information as
>> "Replaces".  draft-ietf-doh-resolver-associated-doh
>>
>> hope that doesn't upset the authors.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 5:38 PM Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net>; wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Aug 31, 2019 at 4:34 PM Dave Lawrence <tale@dd.org>; wrote:
>>>
>>>> Paul Hoffman writes:
>>>> > Given that, I'd like the WG to drop consideration of
>>>> > draft-ietf-doh-resolver-associated-doh. I could do a final draft of
>>>> > draft-ietf-doh-resolver-associated-doh that is a tombstone so that
>>>> > people in the future know that we consciously killed it.
>>>> >
>>>> > Thoughts?
>>>>
>>>> It looks like this never got a response.  Personally (no hats) I'd
>>>> like that proposed final documenting of consciously dropping it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> +1 (and sorry for not responding earlier).
>>>
>>> It seems much better to document that this was intentional and not that
>>> e.g people just got sidetracked, etc.
>>>
>>> W
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Doh mailing list
>>>> Doh@ietf.org
>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/doh
>>>>
>>> --
>>> I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea
>>> in the first place.
>>> This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing
>>> regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of
>>> pants.
>>>    ---maf
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Doh mailing list
>>> Doh@ietf.org
>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/doh
>>>
>> --
> I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea
> in the first place.
> This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing
> regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of
> pants.
>    ---maf
>