[Doh] Web Convergence - is there a document/RFC for this apparent direction?

Todd Hubers <todd.hubers@gmail.com> Fri, 26 October 2018 00:58 UTC

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Subject: [Doh] Web Convergence - is there a document/RFC for this apparent direction?
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Hi All,

Is there a document/RFC about the IETFs collective general movement toward
re-standardisation of things like DNS (DOH), SMTP (JMAP), and maybe others
using Web/HTTP/JSON?

I read the introduction of DoH [RFC8484], and noted there was no reference
there, so such a document probably doesn't exist.

Instead, it could read something like "Web Convergence is desirable
[RFCXXXX]", and that RFC could be very comprehensive in the collective
decision about this direction. It would critically help in determining when
a current standard should be considered for Web Convergence.

I believe it would be something to be referenced in the charter of such a
WG, to clarify WHY the work is being completed, in addition to the other
good reasons. Even if we don't have an RFC, this idea does need a solid
name/label.

I have initial ideas for the content of such a Web Convergence RFC
[Appendix 1], and what it might be ultimately called [Appendix 2]

(I am also new to IETF generally, so I'm still learning. But I like
learning by doing._

Thanks,

Todd Hubers

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Appendix 1

For rebuilding of older standards the web way; OR, building new standards
the web way. The reasons should be the same.

Initial ideas for reasons to be collated in such a document/rfc:

- Accessible directly by web applications (javascript), removing the need
to push via a specialised application server adaptor service (eg. HTTP to
SMTP)
- The reuse of standard web sysops tools (eg. nginx, certificate
management, services like CloudFlare and more)
- The reuse of standard web frameworks and libraries (eg. header parsing,
asynchronous threads)
- Reducing the diffusion of open source development contribution
(redefining the same functions in different standards, and different source
code is inefficient).
- Additional features available from current and future web standards (eg.
redirect, media-type negotiation, compression, multiplexing, proxying,
caching, authentication, Header Parsing, URIs, well-named folders,
Identity, Semantics, etc..)
- More secure with exactly the same security model as web - (eg. no plain
text email transmission)
- All security/firewalls leveraging accumulated PORT 80/443 and HTTP
intelligence.

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Appendix 2

Possible names for this process

- Web Recasting
- Web Convergence
- Http Convergence (specifically HTTP of Web Convergence)