Re: [Doh] New: draft-livingood-doh-implementation-risks-issues

Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> Sun, 10 March 2019 10:42 UTC

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From: Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>
To: "Livingood, Jason" <Jason_Livingood@comcast.com>, DoH WG <doh@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Doh] New: draft-livingood-doh-implementation-risks-issues
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Hiya,

On 09/03/2019 01:23, Livingood, Jason wrote:
> FYI that this document has posted. I have requested 10 mins of agenda
> time in the DOH WG at IETF 104.

You'll be doing well to cover even the relevant parts of
that in 10 minutes! (And yes it may well make more sense
to discuss these topics in dnsops.)

I say "relevant parts" because I think the draft has a
mixture of arguments about DoH and ones that are fairly
clearly independent of DoH.

For example: AMP and smart-speakers are technologies that
could also be criticised as enabling mega-companies to bypass
systems operated by many others (such as the DNS and/or the
web); a bunch of arguments are fairly generic "confidentiality
mechanisms change who can see what", and lastly, the ability
of current web-browser/service-provider combinations to
quickly change network traffic patterns affects lots more
than just DNS.

I think I also agree with some of Stephane's criticism,
(of this and also of draft-reid) e.g. the recommendations
described here don't seem to me to be justified by the
arguments provided - some I'd agree with, others not, but
the current text just does not justify making that set of
recommendations.

I guess there isn't time before the submission cut-off, and
it depends whether or not you really want this draft to end
up as an RFC, but a serious re-structuring and merging with
draft-reid could help a lot if the authors did want that text
to end up in an RFC.

Cheers,
S.