Re: [Doh] [Ext] panel discussion on DoH/DoC

bert hubert <bert.hubert@powerdns.com> Thu, 07 February 2019 16:58 UTC

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On Thu, Feb 07, 2019 at 10:49:06AM -0600, Adam Roach wrote:
> If there were a pat answer to this question, we would have gone to release
> with DoH last summer. The user experience around activating and configuring
> DoH remains, as you suggest, a research topic. The standard here is informed
> consent.

I just enabled DoH to Cloudflare with a single click in Firefox.

I did not get any warning or explanation what this would mean. It had a
prefilled entry for Cloudflare that I can't even change from the UI.

https://imgur.com/a/WQrRG5Z has a screenshot.

You might ponder if as a data controller you might have a duty to do more
than this, especially since it hardcodes Cloudflare. 

Because it does not look like informed consent to me.

	Bert