Re: [Doh] [hrpc] Proposal for a side-meeting on services centralization at IETF 104 Prague

Amelia Andersdotter <amelia@article19.org> Thu, 14 March 2019 04:31 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Doh] [hrpc] Proposal for a side-meeting on services centralization at IETF 104 Prague
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Dear all,

+1 on Eliot and thank you Stephane. My deepest appreciation for Tömas
suggestion that really made my evening.

An in-person meeting might be conducive to fleshing out a topic for this
meeting, but at least to me "services centralization" rings like it
might also concern detnet, quic and perhaps other groups that I cannot
immediately think of.

Probably we mean "DNS service centralization"?

best regards,

Amelia


On 2019-03-12 08:19, Eliot Lear wrote:
> Warren,
>
> I would suggest that you wait on creating a new list.
>
> I think Stephane was proposing an *in person* meeting, using the
> 104sidemeetings Wiki, and I’d like to see that happen first.  That
> also gives time for the dust from the release of these new drafts to
> settle a bit, so that the contours of what can be reasonably
> accomplished becomes more clear.
>
> Eliot
>
>
>> On 12 Mar 2019, at 07:45, Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net
>> <mailto:warren@kumari.net>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 1:58 AM Stephane Bortzmeyer
>> <bortzmeyer@nic.fr <mailto:bortzmeyer@nic.fr>> wrote:
>>
>>     [Sorry for the long list of working groups but the discussion already
>>     started in different places.]
>>
>>     There are been some discussion about DoH (DNS-over-HTTPS, RFC 8484)
>>     deployment and the risk of centralization of Internet services. 
>>
>>     (See
>>     for instance drafts [this is not an endorsement]
>>     draft-bertola-bcp-doh-clients, draft-reid-doh-operator and
>>     draft-livingood-doh-implementation-risks-issues.)
>>
>>     It was suggested <wikipedia>Reference necessary</wikipedia> to have a
>>     side meeting in Prague at IETF 104. I propose monday, 1400-1600 in
>>     Tyrolka. The proposal is at
>>     <https://trac.ietf.org/trac/ietf/meeting/wiki/104sidemeetings>. You
>>     are welcome to agree/disagree/meet in a bar instead.
>>
>>
>> [ Replying here instead of bottom of thread ]
>>
>> Thank you for proposing / organizing this - there has been a lot of
>> discussions, but (as demonstrated by the list of WGs in the To: line)
>> it is somewhat unclear where the discussions should happen -- I'm
>> planning on asking the secretariat to please make us a mailing list
>> to better focus the discussions -- does anyone have a strong
>> objection to this? 
>>
>> (also, a good suggestion for a name would be helpful :-))
>>
>> W
>>
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