Re: [Doh] panel discussion on DoH/DoC
Ted Lemon <mellon@fugue.com> Thu, 07 February 2019 12:55 UTC
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Date: Thu, 07 Feb 2019 07:55:46 -0500
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Subject: Re: [Doh] panel discussion on DoH/DoC
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On Feb 7, 2019, at 5:51 AM, bert hubert <bert.hubert@powerdns.com> wrote: > For further discussions, if someone is venting on DoC but calling it DoH, we > can point out that they should not direct their anger at the poor DoH > protocol that can't help what people do with it. You could get into a really big fight with the HRPC folks about this statement. DoH is perfectly designed to support the DoC use case, so doesn’t that mean that it effectively _is_ DoC? It’s only _not_ DoC if there’s some way to prevent it from being DoC, and there isn’t. So you might as well own it.
- [Doh] panel discussion on DoH/DoC bert hubert
- Re: [Doh] panel discussion on DoH/DoC Ted Lemon
- Re: [Doh] panel discussion on DoH/DoC Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [Doh] panel discussion on DoH/DoC Ted Lemon
- Re: [Doh] panel discussion on DoH/DoC Shane Kerr
- Re: [Doh] panel discussion on DoH/DoC Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Doh] panel discussion on DoH/DoC Ralf Weber
- Re: [Doh] panel discussion on DoH/DoC Ted Lemon
- Re: [Doh] panel discussion on DoH/DoC Jim Reid
- Re: [Doh] panel discussion on DoH/DoC Ted Lemon
- Re: [Doh] panel discussion on DoH/DoC Jim Reid
- Re: [Doh] panel discussion on DoH/DoC Valentin Gosu
- Re: [Doh] panel discussion on DoH/DoC Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Doh] panel discussion on DoH/DoC Jim Reid
- Re: [Doh] [Ext] panel discussion on DoH/DoC Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Doh] panel discussion on DoH/DoC Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Doh] [Ext] panel discussion on DoH/DoC Adam Roach
- Re: [Doh] [Ext] panel discussion on DoH/DoC Eliot Lear
- Re: [Doh] [Ext] panel discussion on DoH/DoC Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Doh] [Ext] panel discussion on DoH/DoC Ask Bjørn Hansen
- Re: [Doh] [Ext] panel discussion on DoH/DoC Jim Reid
- Re: [Doh] [Ext] panel discussion on DoH/DoC Adam Roach
- Re: [Doh] [Ext] panel discussion on DoH/DoC Adam Roach
- Re: [Doh] [Ext] panel discussion on DoH/DoC bert hubert
- Re: [Doh] [Ext] panel discussion on DoH/DoC Eliot Lear
- Re: [Doh] [Ext] panel discussion on DoH/DoC Adam Roach
- Re: [Doh] panel discussion on DoH/DoC Shane Kerr
- Re: [Doh] panel discussion on DoH/DoC Joseph Lorenzo Hall
- Re: [Doh] panel discussion on DoH/DoC Martin Thomson
- Re: [Doh] panel discussion on DoH/DoC Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Doh] panel discussion on DoH/DoC Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Doh] panel discussion on DoH/DoC Andrew Sullivan
- Re: [Doh] panel discussion on DoH/DoC Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Doh] panel discussion on DoH/DoC Eliot Lear
- Re: [Doh] panel discussion on DoH/DoC Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Doh] panel discussion on DoH/DoC Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Doh] panel discussion on DoH/DoC Jim Reid
- Re: [Doh] panel discussion on DoH/DoC Eric Rescorla
- Re: [Doh] panel discussion on DoH/DoC Stephen Farrell