Re: [Doh] panel discussion on DoH/DoC

Andrew Sullivan <ajs@anvilwalrusden.com> Mon, 11 February 2019 00:10 UTC

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Also, what do you mean exactly by "picking one server"?  The back end state 
surely (!?) won't be shared and there's no reason to suppose names or 
numbers get you to "the same" thing. So ...?

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On February 10, 2019 18:51:37 Martin Thomson <mt@lowentropy.net> wrote:

> On Sat, Feb 9, 2019, at 08:19, Joseph Lorenzo Hall wrote:
>> Those are great points and I may have taken some liberty with the the
>> "multiplexing across many DOH providers" statement as I'm not really sure
>> what browsers want to do, it just seems like having one or a few options is
>> not ideal. Anyway, I recognize that the work I'm interested in is not
>> protocol work (as far as I can tell), so I'll stop bugging folks here!
>
> I don't think that this is entirely crazy.  I agree with Shane that trying 
> to load balance between servers or randomly route to servers is likely to 
> be worse than just picking one, but one option we've considered is picking 
> one server randomly and using that consistently thereafter.  (Cue all the 
> second-order questions regarding how to use that for tracking, etc...)
>
> There is also talk of finding ways to route requests to servers that might 
> own the same name, but that's far more risky.  In other words, this is not 
> a decided matter because it is so clearly not simple.
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