Re: [Doh] New: draft-livingood-doh-implementation-risks-issues

Stephane Bortzmeyer <> Tue, 12 March 2019 15:09 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Doh] New: draft-livingood-doh-implementation-risks-issues
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On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 09:47:03AM +0100,
 Ralf Weber <> wrote 
 a message of 48 lines which said:

> Most jurisdictions though have something from the old roman law “Ignorantia
> legis non excusat” meaning not knowning the law doesn’t protect you from
> punishment.

« Nul n'est censé ignorer la loi » in french.

In the cases I mentioned, the people know the law and never pretended
they were not aware of it. But there is a difference between the law,
which applies automatically to all residents, and the court decisions,
which apply only to the parties involved.

Also, in the case of the police blacklist, as I said, it is secret,
even if people want to enforce it, they cannot.

> Good, but even not for profit need money from someone and I doubt
> that we can supply DoH service for large portion of the Internet
> using non profit organisations.

But the goal is not to provide services to "a large portion". There is
no point in creating a "not-for-profit GAFA". Quite the contrary. What
I would like to see is a lot of small DoH resolvers, each with its own
group of users.

> You didn’t mention an alternative or do you really think a lot of
> different non profit organisations will provide resolving for the
> Internet?

Yes. Like they provide most of the interesting stuff on the