Re: [Doh] [DNSOP] [dns-privacy] New: draft-bertola-bcp-doh-clients

Michael Sinatra <> Tue, 12 March 2019 20:29 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Doh] [DNSOP] [dns-privacy] New: draft-bertola-bcp-doh-clients
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On 3/12/19 9:14 AM, Jim Reid wrote:
>> On 12 Mar 2019, at 16:01, Stephane Bortzmeyer <> wrote:
>> I still do not understand why people have a problem with DoH whch did
>> not already exist before with my-own-name-resolution-protocol-over-HTTPS.
> It’s a question of scale/ubiquity. These “alterate” resolution tricks have up until now been mostly confined to a small number of clueful people. That is going to change dramatically once the world’s web browsers and other web-based apps start using DoH. More so if those platforms have DoH enabled by default.

There's also a fundamental tension that arises when we define as
legitimate those practices that are indistinguishable (or hard to
distinguish) from what bad guys do.  Think of all of the HR departments
out there that send *legitimate* emails asking their employees to click
on a link to update/verify information.  DoH does this too and it
arguably goes a step further by effectively obfuscating DNS resolution
activity, so that legitimate users occupy the same "hideout" as the bad

This is one of the main themes of section 9 of draft-reid-doh-operator
and one of the main motivations in the recommendations of section 4 of
draft-bertola-bcp-doh-clients, but it bears restating because for those
of us trying to do risk mitigation, or even policy compliance, DoH gives
us additional headaches.