Re: [Doh] Request for the DOH WG to adopt draft-hoffman-resolver-associated-doh
bert hubert <bert.hubert@powerdns.com> Wed, 23 January 2019 18:53 UTC
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Subject: Re: [Doh] Request for the DOH WG to adopt draft-hoffman-resolver-associated-doh
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On Wed, Jan 16, 2019 at 12:25:55AM +0000, Paul Hoffman wrote: > So, does this WG want to adopt this as a work item? Yes. My reasoning is as follows. Even though it is a challenging subject, if we don't do it bad things will happen. As long as there is no way to associate a network with an encrypted DNS provider (DoH in this case), we can not rebut the argument "we simply HAVE to centralize the DNS on this cloud provider because there is no alternative". Regardless of what we think about the desireability of centralized or decentralized DNS, it is never good if there are no options. So I hope we can give this a very hard think to see what we can come up with. To stimulate the discussion a bit, it turns out browsers already contain a list of providers they are willing to trust. It may be that the solution for provisioning DoH securely also involves having a list of providers who are allowed to provision DoH. The existing list of trusted parties that can (not) be trusted is of course the list of trusted certificate authorities. Bert
- [Doh] Request for the DOH WG to adopt draft-hoffm… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Doh] Request for the DOH WG to adopt draft-h… Jim Reid
- Re: [Doh] Request for the DOH WG to adopt draft-h… Ralf Weber
- Re: [Doh] Request for the DOH WG to adopt draft-h… A. Schulze
- Re: [Doh] Request for the DOH WG to adopt draft-h… Ben Schwartz
- Re: [Doh] Request for the DOH WG to adopt draft-h… Jim Reid
- Re: [Doh] Request for the DOH WG to adopt draft-h… A. Schulze
- Re: [Doh] Request for the DOH WG to adopt draft-h… Ralf Weber
- Re: [Doh] Request for the DOH WG to adopt draft-h… Martin Thomson
- Re: [Doh] [Ext] Request for the DOH WG to adopt d… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Doh] [EXTERNAL] Re: Request for the DOH WG t… Winfield, Alister
- Re: [Doh] [EXTERNAL] Re: Request for the DOH WG t… Ben Schwartz
- Re: [Doh] [Ext] Request for the DOH WG to adopt d… John Dickinson
- Re: [Doh] [EXTERNAL] Re: [Ext] Request for the DO… Winfield, Alister
- Re: [Doh] [EXTERNAL] Re: [Ext] Request for the DO… Jim Reid
- Re: [Doh] [EXTERNAL] Re: [Ext] Request for the DO… Winfield, Alister
- Re: [Doh] [Ext] Request for the DOH WG to adopt d… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Doh] [Ext] Request for the DOH WG to adopt d… John Dickinson
- Re: [Doh] Request for the DOH WG to adopt draft-h… Daniel Stenberg
- Re: [Doh] Request for the DOH WG to adopt draft-h… Ralf Weber
- Re: [Doh] Request for the DOH WG to adopt draft-h… Tony Finch
- Re: [Doh] Request for the DOH WG to adopt draft-h… Daniel Stenberg
- Re: [Doh] Request for the DOH WG to adopt draft-h… bert hubert
- Re: [Doh] Request for the DOH WG to adopt draft-h… Vittorio Bertola
- Re: [Doh] Request for the DOH WG to adopt draft-h… Ted Lemon
- Re: [Doh] Request for the DOH WG to adopt draft-h… bert hubert
- Re: [Doh] Request for the DOH WG to adopt draft-h… Peter Saint-Andre
- Re: [Doh] Request for the DOH WG to adopt draft-h… Daniel Stenberg
- Re: [Doh] [EXTERNAL] Re: Request for the DOH WG t… Winfield, Alister
- Re: [Doh] Request for the DOH WG to adopt draft-h… Stephen Farrell
- Re: [Doh] Request for the DOH WG to adopt draft-h… John Dickinson
- Re: [Doh] Request for the DOH WG to adopt draft-h… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [Doh] Request for the DOH WG to adopt draft-h… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [Doh] [Ext] Re: Request for the DOH WG to ado… Paul Hoffman
- Re: [Doh] Request for the DOH WG to adopt draft-h… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [Doh] Request for the DOH WG to adopt draft-h… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [Doh] [Ext] Re: Request for the DOH WG to ado… Stephane Bortzmeyer
- Re: [Doh] Request for the DOH WG to adopt draft-h… Daniel Stenberg
- Re: [Doh] Request for the DOH WG to adopt draft-h… nigel.tedeschi