Re: [Doh] ..I don't get it (the hate)

Joe Abley <> Tue, 26 March 2019 11:31 UTC

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On Mar 26, 2019, at 12:15, George Michaelson <> wrote:

> This is (surely) between me, the browser vendor, and the website? Why
> does the ISP have any say in this?

The ISP (or equivalent actor) has the opportunity to have a say today.
Some deployment models would take this opportunity away.

I don't believe the concern is for sophisticated users who can make
informed choices. I can use a tor browser right now that also defeats
the ISP's opportunity to participate in the resolution process. That's
not controversial.

The contentious aspect is, I think, the potential for a majority of
end-users who are not sophisticated and hence are unable to make
informed decisions to have this behaviour changed for them.

It's not the existence of the mechanism, it's the potential scale of
the deployment.