Re: [Doh] New I-D: draft-reid-doh-operator

Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net> Mon, 11 March 2019 02:27 UTC

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From: Warren Kumari <warren@kumari.net>
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 11:27:17 +0900
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Subject: Re: [Doh] New I-D: draft-reid-doh-operator
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On Mon, Mar 11, 2019 at 10:26 AM Livingood, Jason <
Jason_Livingood@comcast.com> wrote:

> On 3/10/19, 4:02 AM, "Doh on behalf of Stephane Bortzmeyer" <
> doh-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of bortzmeyer@nic.fr> wrote:
>
> >    I'm surprised that it is published more or less at the same time
>     draft-livingood-doh-implementation-risks-issues. They have a lot of
>     overlap, and even one author in common. May be a merge would be a good
>     idea?
>
> [JL] Perhaps so. Time was short before the cutoff and I think we wanted to
> get some thoughts out there for comment.
>
>     > The specific issue mentioned  above is exactly the same whether I
> use DoH or DNS-over-UDP to 8.8.8.8
>     or 9.9.9.9.
>
> [JL] I think a slight difference is that with public DNS services, the
> uptake occurs gradually as each individual user makes an explicit choice.
> This isn't the case should large apps enable DoH.
>

s/This isn't the case should large apps enable DoH./This isn't the case
should large apps enable using their own resolvers./

DoH is a protocol - the concerns you are talking about (and I'm glad they
are being discussed, they are important policy discussions) are not
specific to DoH -- this sentence works just as well with DNS-over-TLS,
plain DNS, using some completely proprietary name resolution mechanism. It
is trivial for any "large app" writer to invent a proprietary way to do DNS
resolution - please please, let's keep the DoH (protocol) versus "apps
doing their own resolution" separate.

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-- 
I don't think the execution is relevant when it was obviously a bad idea in
the first place.
This is like putting rabid weasels in your pants, and later expressing
regret at having chosen those particular rabid weasels and that pair of
pants.
   ---maf