Re: [Doh] [EXTERNAL] Re: Request for the DOH WG to adopt draft-hoffman-resolver-associated-doh

"Winfield, Alister" <Alister.Winfield@sky.uk> Thu, 17 January 2019 10:18 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Doh] [EXTERNAL] Re: Request for the DOH WG to adopt draft-hoffman-resolver-associated-doh
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I'm curious did any of those browsers writers say anything about how this would be implemented?

My guesses are:

As a way that local defined DNS servers can offer DoH service ?
As a way to simplify configuration of DoH ?
Something else ?

Or, it's too soon and we can/should make suggestions as to the intent here.

(please forgive me if this has been asked before)

Alister Winfield



On 16/01/2019, 21:29, "Doh on behalf of Martin Thomson" <doh-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of mt@lowentropy.net> wrote:

    On Wed, Jan 16, 2019, at 11:25, Paul Hoffman wrote:
    > People from a few browser vendors have expressed unofficial interest in
    > implementing at least parts of it if it gets standardized, so it seems
    > like a good idea to try to standardize it. There is still a reasonable
    > amount of work to be done in the document itself, and it certainly needs
    > input from both browser and DNS folks.

    What happened to DRIU?  It seemed like there was an effort to work on the problem more generally.  But I see the DoT comment down-thread and wonder whether this is the right place for doing this sort of work.

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