Re: [Doh] [Ext] Re: Request for the DOH WG to adopt draft-hoffman-resolver-associated-doh

Stephane Bortzmeyer <bortzmeyer@nic.fr> Tue, 29 January 2019 15:13 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Doh] [Ext] Re: Request for the DOH WG to adopt draft-hoffman-resolver-associated-doh
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On Tue, Jan 29, 2019 at 03:00:17PM +0000,
 Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@icann.org> wrote 
 a message of 40 lines which said:

> > In the current draft, I have a big concern about the idea of an
> > application (for instance the Web browser) having a specific DNS
> > resolver (section 5 of draft -07), different from the rest of the
> > applications on the same machine.
> 
> If you have this concern, you need to bring it up with the browser
> vendors, not with this WG.

I bring the concern here because the first paragraph of section 5
appears to approve this strategy.

> > IMHO, the correct setup is a shared DoH client, running on the
> > local machine (stubby, systemd-resolve, etc) or on the CPE.
> 
> ...and yet there is no indication that such a thing exists today,
> nor is planned by any of the OS vendors.

systemd-resolve seems to be used by several OS (I don't like systemd
but this is another issue: the point is that it can be done).

> (Side note: given how crappy CPE software is consistently shown to
> be, I am horrified that you suggest to put anything there in the
> same message where you talk about "nightmare to debug".)

Not all CPEs <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NotAllMen> I use a Turris
Omnia <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turris_Omnia> at home and this is
exactly the sort of CPE I had in mind.