Re: [Dots] WGLC for draft-dots-use-cases-19
"Konda, Tirumaleswar Reddy" <TirumaleswarReddy_Konda@McAfee.com> Tue, 06 August 2019 13:08 UTC
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From: "Konda, Tirumaleswar Reddy" <TirumaleswarReddy_Konda@McAfee.com>
To: "mohamed.boucadair@orange.com" <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com>, Valery Smyslov <valery@smyslov.net>, "dots@ietf.org" <dots@ietf.org>
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Subject: Re: [Dots] WGLC for draft-dots-use-cases-19
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> -----Original Message----- > From: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com > <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com> > Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 6:23 PM > To: Konda, Tirumaleswar Reddy > <TirumaleswarReddy_Konda@McAfee.com>; Valery Smyslov > <valery@smyslov.net>; dots@ietf.org > Cc: Xialiang (Frank, Network Standard & Patent Dept) > <frank.xialiang@huawei.com> > Subject: RE: [Dots] WGLC for draft-dots-use-cases-19 > > This email originated from outside of the organization. Do not click links or > open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know the content is > safe. > > Re-, > > Please see inline. > > Cheers, > Med > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > De : Konda, Tirumaleswar Reddy > > [mailto:TirumaleswarReddy_Konda@McAfee.com] > > Envoyé : mardi 6 août 2019 14:31 > > À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed TGI/OLN; Valery Smyslov; dots@ietf.org Cc : > > Xialiang (Frank, Network Standard & Patent Dept) Objet : RE: [Dots] > > WGLC for draft-dots-use-cases-19 > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com > > > <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com> > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 5:46 PM > > > To: Konda, Tirumaleswar Reddy > > > <TirumaleswarReddy_Konda@McAfee.com>; Valery Smyslov > > > <valery@smyslov.net>; dots@ietf.org > > > Cc: Xialiang (Frank, Network Standard & Patent Dept) > > > <frank.xialiang@huawei.com> > > > Subject: RE: [Dots] WGLC for draft-dots-use-cases-19 > > > > > > > > > > > > Re-, > > > > > > Please see inline. > > > > > > Cheers, > > > Med > > > > > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > > > De : Konda, Tirumaleswar Reddy > > > > [mailto:TirumaleswarReddy_Konda@McAfee.com] > > > > Envoyé : mardi 6 août 2019 13:52 > > > > À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed TGI/OLN; Valery Smyslov; dots@ietf.org Cc : > > > > Xialiang (Frank, Network Standard & Patent Dept) Objet : RE: > > > > [Dots] WGLC for draft-dots-use-cases-19 > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com > > > > > <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com> > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 3:15 PM > > > > > To: Konda, Tirumaleswar Reddy > > > > > <TirumaleswarReddy_Konda@McAfee.com>; Valery Smyslov > > > > > <valery@smyslov.net>; dots@ietf.org > > > > > Cc: Xialiang (Frank, Network Standard & Patent Dept) > > > > > <frank.xialiang@huawei.com> > > > > > Subject: RE: [Dots] WGLC for draft-dots-use-cases-19 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re-, > > > > > > > > > > Please see inline. > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > Med > > > > > > > > > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > > > > > De : Konda, Tirumaleswar Reddy > > > > > > [mailto:TirumaleswarReddy_Konda@McAfee.com] > > > > > > Envoyé : mardi 6 août 2019 11:29 À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed > > > > > > TGI/OLN; Valery Smyslov; dots@ietf.org Cc : > > > > > > Xialiang (Frank, Network Standard & Patent Dept) Objet : RE: > > > > > > [Dots] WGLC for draft-dots-use-cases-19 > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > From: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com > > > > > > > <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com> > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 2:50 PM > > > > > > > To: Konda, Tirumaleswar Reddy > > > > > > > <TirumaleswarReddy_Konda@McAfee.com>; Valery Smyslov > > > > > > > <valery@smyslov.net>; dots@ietf.org > > > > > > > Cc: Xialiang (Frank, Network Standard & Patent Dept) > > > > > > > <frank.xialiang@huawei.com> > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [Dots] WGLC for draft-dots-use-cases-19 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This email originated from outside of the organization. Do > > > > > > > not click > > > > > > links or > > > > > > > open attachments unless you recognize the sender and know > > > > > > > the content is safe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re-, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please see inline. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > Med > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Message d'origine----- De : Konda, Tirumaleswar Reddy > > > > > > > > [mailto:TirumaleswarReddy_Konda@McAfee.com] > > > > > > > > Envoyé : mardi 6 août 2019 11:15 À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed > > > > > > > > TGI/OLN; Valery Smyslov; dots@ietf.org Cc : > > > > > > > > Xialiang (Frank, Network Standard & Patent Dept) Objet : RE: > > > > > > > > [Dots] WGLC for draft-dots-use-cases-19 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > > > > > From: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com > > > > > > > > > <mohamed.boucadair@orange.com> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 6, 2019 2:00 PM > > > > > > > > > To: Konda, Tirumaleswar Reddy > > > > > > > > > <TirumaleswarReddy_Konda@McAfee.com>; Valery Smyslov > > > > > > > > > <valery@smyslov.net>; dots@ietf.org > > > > > > > > > Cc: Xialiang (Frank, Network Standard & Patent Dept) > > > > > > > > > <frank.xialiang@huawei.com> > > > > > > > > > Subject: RE: [Dots] WGLC for draft-dots-use-cases-19 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This email originated from outside of the organization. > > > > > > > > > Do not click > > > > > > > > links or > > > > > > > > > open attachments unless you recognize the sender and > > > > > > > > > know the content is safe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re-, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please see inline. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Cheers, > > > > > > > > > Med > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Message d'origine----- De : Konda, Tirumaleswar > > > > > > > > > > Reddy [mailto:TirumaleswarReddy_Konda@McAfee.com] > > > > > > > > > > Envoyé : mardi 6 août 2019 10:14 À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed > > > > > > > > > > TGI/OLN; Valery Smyslov; dots@ietf.org Cc : > > > > > > > > > > Xialiang (Frank, Network Standard & Patent Dept) Objet : > > RE: > > > > > > > > > > [Dots] WGLC for draft-dots-use-cases-19 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Med, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, the orchestrator is not ignoring the mitigation hints. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Med] Why? The text is clear the orchestrator acts as > > > > > > > > > DOTS > > > > server. > > > > > > > > > As > > > > > > > > such, it > > > > > > > > > can ignore/accept hints. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It is sending > > > > > > > > > > filtering rules to block or rate-limit traffic to > > > > > > > > > > routers (last but one line in the new paragraph). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Med] Yes. That filtering rule is that would be applied > > > > > > > > > by the DMS if it > > > > > > > > has > > > > > > > > > sufficient resources. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The adverse impact is legitimate users whose > > > > > > > > > > IP addresses were spoofed cannot access the services > > > > > > > > > > of the target server. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Med] This is a check at the DMS side. This check > > > > > > > > > applies independently > > > > > > > > of ** > > > > > > > > > where ** the filters are applied. This is not specific > > > > > > > > > to this NEW > > > > > > text. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If the orchestrator is sending filtering rules to block > > > > > > > > traffic, checks are required to ensure spoofed IP address > > > > > > > > are not conveyed by > > > > > > the > > > > > > > DMS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Med] Yes, but the current text describes the case where the > > > > > > > DMS > > > > > > supplies > > > > > > > "its blocked traffic information": > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the DDoS mitigation system can send mitigation requests > > > > > > > with additional hints such as its blocked traffic > > > > > > > information to > > > > the > > > > > > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > > > > > > orchestrator. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So, the DMS has already done that check. > > > > > > > > > > > > The blocked traffic information will include attack traffic > > > > > > from both spoofed and attacker IP addresses. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Med] If you are saying that there is an issue if the DMS does > > > > > not > > > > check, you > > > > > are right. But, again, this is not specific to the NEW text. > > > > > This is a > > > > general > > > > > problem (that is outside DOTS, BTW). > > > > > > > > No, DMS will anyway check and try not block legitimate traffic > > > > from users whose IP addresses have been spoofed. > > > > > > > > > > [Med] What I'm saying is that the DMS will then follow the same > > > logic > > when > > > providing the hints to the orchestrator. > > > > No, the hints should include both spoofed and non-spoofed IP addresses > > used to attack the target. > > > > [Med] Why? A DMS may decide to offload only filtering rules its checked. > > Even if we assume that the check is at the orchestrator side, this is not a new > threat vector. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If > > > > > > > > the orchestrator delegates the mitigation to a separate > > > > > > > > domain (recursive signaling), the attack information > > > > > > > > provided by DMS can include spoofed IP addresses (so the > > > > > > > > new mitigator in the separate domain learns the attack > > > > > > > > traffic is coming from spoofed IP > > > > addresses). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Med] This is not specific to this case, but applies each > > > > > > > time there is > > > > > > recursive > > > > > > > signaling. > > > > > > > > > > > > My comment is to using the attack information of spoofed IP > > > > > > addresses to filter traffic would penalize legitimate users, > > > > > > and the text is not clear me. I suggest adding a line for > > > > > > clarity, DMS may supply both spoofed and attacker IP addresses > > > > > > in the attack information to the orchestrator. The > > > > > > orchestrator will only use the non-spoofed IP addresses to > > > > > > enforce filtering rules on > > routers. > > > > > > > > > > [Med] I was assuming this is already done by the DMS to generate > > > > > "its blocked traffic information", but if you prefer the text to > > > > > be explicit, > > > > it will > > > > > need to be generic: > > > > > > > > > > the check is not specific to the NEW text but applies also in > > > > > the > > > > general DMS > > > > > case (without offloading). > > > > > > > > When DMS generates the attack traffic information it should > > > > include both spoofed and attacker IP addresses (tagged with > > > > whether the IP address is spoofed or not). > > > > > > [Med] Why it should not check? > > > > It checks and includes both type of IP addresses. > > [Med] Why it has to include both if it has done the check? > > > > > > > > > If the orchestrator is delegating the mitigation to a > > > > separate domain, it can propagate the attack information so the > > > > mitigator in the separate domain has knowledge that the attacker > > > > is using spoofed IP addresses and the mitigator can optionally use > > > > the attack information to determine the mitigation strategy. > > > > > > [Med] The recursive case is not covered in the current text. I don't > > think we > > > need to elaborate on this further. > > > > I don't understand why recursive case should be excluded in the > > current text ? > > [Med] Because the use-case draft does not cover this: It only covers the case > of an orchestrator talking to local routers. My question is why shouldn't the use case draft cover this ? > > > > > > > > > However If orchestrator is enforcing > > > > filtering rules on routers, it should create the black-list rules > > > > based on the non-spoofed attacker IP address and not use the > > > > spoofed victim IP addresses. > > > > > > > > > > [Med] Agree. Whether the check is done at the orchestrator or by the > > DMS, > > > is not a new concern. The DMS has to proceed with these checks, anyway. > > I > > > fail to see what is NEW and SPECIFIC to the offload scenario. > > > > In this case the check has to be done by orchestrator when enforcing > > black-list rules not to penalize the spoofed victim IP addresses and > > should be discussed in the new use case. > > [Med] This requirement has to be followed by the DMS, anyway. This is not a > new issue, Tiru. No, sending attack information to the DOTS server is not covered in any of the WG documents. > > I don't see any other use case in > > the specification discussing offload scenario with propagating the > > attack information and I recommend updating the text discussing the > > above scenarios. > > [Med] We don't have a similar text for the DMS case because mitigation is > out of scope. I'm expecting to follow the some rationale for the offload. If mitigation is out of scope, remove the following line: Then the orchestrator can take further actions like requesting forwarding nodes such as routers to filter the traffic. -Tiru > > > > > Cheers, > > -Tiru
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