Re: [Dots] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-31: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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Subject: Re: [Dots] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-31: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT)
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Hi Ben, I already went with the s/by default, .... MUST/SHOULD to address the comment from Alissa. I also implemented the other change proposals. FWIW, the updated version is available at: https://github.com/boucadair/draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel/blob/master/draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-31.txt. Cheers, Med > -----Message d'origine----- > De : Benjamin Kaduk [mailto:kaduk@mit.edu] > Envoyé : lundi 6 mai 2019 18:02 > À : Konda, Tirumaleswar Reddy > Cc : Alissa Cooper; BOUCADAIR Mohamed TGI/OLN; draft-ietf-dots-signal- > channel@ietf.org; Liang Xia; dots-chairs@ietf.org; dots@ietf.org; IESG > Objet : Re: [Dots] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel- > 31: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) > > On Fri, May 03, 2019 at 07:17:55AM +0000, Konda, Tirumaleswar Reddy wrote: > > Hi Alissa, > > > > Please see inline > > > > From: Dots <dots-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Alissa Cooper > > Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 8:50 PM > > To: mohamed.boucadair@orange.com > > Cc: draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel@ietf.org; Liang Xia > <frank.xialiang@huawei.com>; dots@ietf.org; IESG <iesg@ietf.org>; dots- > chairs@ietf.org > > Subject: Re: [Dots] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-dots-signal- > channel-31: (with DISCUSS and COMMENT) > > > > > > CAUTION: External email. Do not click links or open attachments unless you > recognize the sender and know the content is safe. > > > > > > ________________________________ > > Hi Med, > > > > > > On May 2, 2019, at 3:18 AM, > mohamed.boucadair@orange.com<mailto:mohamed.boucadair@orange.com> wrote: > > > > Hi Alissa, > > > > Please see inline. > > > > Cheers, > > Med > > > > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > De : Alissa Cooper via Datatracker [mailto:noreply@ietf.org] > > Envoyé : jeudi 2 mai 2019 03:56 > > À : The IESG > > Cc : draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel@ietf.org<mailto:draft-ietf-dots-signal- > channel@ietf.org>; Liang Xia; dots- > > chairs@ietf.org<mailto:chairs@ietf.org>; > frank.xialiang@huawei.com<mailto:frank.xialiang@huawei.com>; > dots@ietf.org<mailto:dots@ietf.org> > > Objet : Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-31: (with > > DISCUSS and COMMENT) > > > > Alissa Cooper has entered the following ballot position for > > draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel-31: Discuss > > > > When responding, please keep the subject line intact and reply to all > > email addresses included in the To and CC lines. (Feel free to cut this > > introductory paragraph, however.) > > > > > > Please refer to https://www.ietf.org/iesg/statement/discuss-criteria.html > > for more information about IESG DISCUSS and COMMENT positions. > > > > > > The document, along with other ballot positions, can be found here: > > https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-dots-signal-channel/ > > > > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > DISCUSS: > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > = Section 3 = > > > > "By default, a DOTS signal channel MUST run over port number TBD as > > defined in Section 9.1, for both UDP and TCP, unless the DOTS server > > has a mutual agreement with its DOTS clients to use a different port > > number. DOTS clients MAY alternatively support means to dynamically > > discover the ports used by their DOTS servers (e.g., > > [I-D.boucadair-dots-server-discovery])." > > > > MUST implies an absolute requirement, so "MUST .... unless" is a > problematic > > construction. > > > > [Med] It seems that you missed "By default, “. > > > > Even with “by default” this still is problematic. MUST indicates an > absolute requirement. > > > > [TR] “MUST (NOT)..unless” construction is used in several specifications, > please see https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc8094#section-3.1 and > https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7232#section-2.2.1 > > Alissa is correct that MUST is absolute within the realm that it applies > to, so we need to be clear about what domain the requirement applies to. > The text in the -31 here is particularly problematic because of the > following "MAY alternatively" which is in a different sentence and has a > confusing relationship to the previous text. A (hopefully clearer) > proposal: > > In some cases, a DOTS client and server may have mutual agreement to use a > specific port number, such as by explicit configuration or dynamic > discovery [I-D.boucadair-dots-server-discvory]. Absent such mutual > agreement, the DOTS signal channel MUST run over port number TBD as defined > in Section 9.1, for both UDP and TCP. > > -Ben
- [Dots] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-dots… Alissa Cooper via Datatracker
- Re: [Dots] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [Dots] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-… Alexey Melnikov
- Re: [Dots] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [Dots] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Dots] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-… Konda, Tirumaleswar Reddy
- Re: [Dots] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [Dots] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-… Benjamin Kaduk
- Re: [Dots] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [Dots] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [Dots] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-… Barry Leiba
- Re: [Dots] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [Dots] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-… Alissa Cooper
- Re: [Dots] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-… mohamed.boucadair
- Re: [Dots] Alissa Cooper's Discuss on draft-ietf-… Alissa Cooper
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