Re: [Dots] WGLC on draft-ietf-dots-signal-call-home-06

<mohamed.boucadair@orange.com> Thu, 07 November 2019 12:15 UTC

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Re-,

The NEW wording works for me. 

Thank you. 

Cheers,
Med

> -----Message d'origine-----
> De : Jon Shallow [mailto:supjps-ietf@jpshallow.com]
> Envoyé : jeudi 7 novembre 2019 11:39
> À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed TGI/OLN; 'Valery Smyslov'; dots@ietf.org; dots-
> chairs@ietf.org
> Objet : RE: [Dots] WGLC on draft-ietf-dots-signal-call-home-06
> 
> Hi Med,
> 
> Happy Eyeballs worked fine with me with the Call Home DOTS server
> initiating
> the DTLS and TLS sessions.
> 
> Heartbeats work, but I have not tested them under stress / loss conditions.
> I will try to get that tested tomorrow.
> 
> In terms of the text I mis-read, perhaps it could be partially re-written
> 
> OLD
> 
> " If TCP is used, the Call Home DOTS server begins by initiating a
> TCP connection to the Call Home DOTS client.  Using this TCP
> connection, the Call Home DOTS server initiates a TLS connection
> to the Call Home DOTS client."
> 
> NEW
> 
> " If TCP is used, the Call Home DOTS server begins by initiating a
> TCP connection to the Call Home DOTS client.  Once connected,  the Call
> Home
> DOTS server continues to initiate a TLS connection
> to the Call Home DOTS client."
> 
> Regards
> 
> Jon
> 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dots [mailto: dots-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> mohamed.boucadair@orange.com
> > Sent: 07 November 2019 09:34
> > To: Jon Shallow; 'Valery Smyslov'; dots@ietf.org; dots-chairs@ietf.org
> > Subject: Re: [Dots] WGLC on draft-ietf-dots-signal-call-home-06
> >
> > Re-,
> >
> > Thank you, Jon.
> >
> > BTW, I don't see any issue about HE and HBs for the call home. I assume
> that
> > no problem was encountered to implement it.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Med
> > > -----Message d'origine-----
> > > De : Jon Shallow [mailto:supjps-ietf@jpshallow.com]
> > > Envoyé : jeudi 7 novembre 2019 09:58
> > > À : BOUCADAIR Mohamed TGI/OLN; 'Valery Smyslov'; dots@ietf.org; dots-
> > > chairs@ietf.org
> > > Objet : RE: [Dots] WGLC on draft-ietf-dots-signal-call-home-06
> > >
> > > Hi Med,
> > >
> > > See inline.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Jon
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Dots [mailto: dots-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of
> > > mohamed.boucadair@orange.com
> > > > Sent: 07 November 2019 07:12
> > > > To: Jon Shallow; 'Valery Smyslov'; dots@ietf.org; dots-
> chairs@ietf.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [Dots] WGLC on draft-ietf-dots-signal-call-home-06
> > > >
> > > > Hi Jon,
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for sharing this cool news.
> > > >
> > > > Please see inline.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers,
> > > > Med
> > > >
> > > > > -----Message d'origine-----
> > > > > De : Dots [mailto:dots-bounces@ietf.org] De la part de Jon Shallow
> > > > > Envoyé : mercredi 6 novembre 2019 18:13
> > > > > À : 'Valery Smyslov'; dots@ietf.org; dots-chairs@ietf.org
> > > > > Objet : Re: [Dots] WGLC on draft-ietf-dots-signal-call-home-06
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi All,
> > > > >
> > > > > I have done a preliminary working implementation of DOTS Call-Home
> > -
> > > > there
> > > > > is still some little used functionality to finish off.
> > > > >
> > > > > *** Issue # 1 - TCP TLS sessions
> > > > >
> > > > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dots-signal-call-home-
> > > 06#section-
> > > > 3..1
> > > > >
> > > > > " If UDP transport is used, the Call Home DOTS server begins by
> > > > > initiating a DTLS connection to the Call Home DOTS client."
> > > > >
> > > > > This works as expected where the UDP + DTLS layer roles are
> switched.
> > > > >
> > > > > " If TCP is used, the Call Home DOTS server begins by initiating a
> > > > > TCP connection to the Call Home DOTS client.  Using this TCP
> > > > > connection, the Call Home DOTS server initiates a TLS connection
> > > > > to the Call Home DOTS client."
> > > > >
> > > > > With the current libcoap implementation, I am unable to create a
> CoAP
> > > > > session using TLS on an existing TCP connection - so the DOTS
> Client
> is
> > > > > unable to accept an incoming TCP session and then initiate TLS
> > > integrated
> > > > > with the CoAP session.
> > > >
> > > > [Med] Why the client would initiate the TLS session? Do you want to
> test
> > > a
> > > > RFC8071-like approach?
> > >
> > > Jon> Yesterday was one of those days - word blindness  translated "the
> > Call
> > > Home DOTS server initiates a TLS connection to the Call Home DOTS
> > client."
> > > as a separate action to  "the Call Home DOTS client initiates a TLS
> > > connection to the Call Home DOTS server.".  The actual text is correct.
> > >
> > > >
> > > >  I agree that RFC8071 only switches the TCP layer
> > > > > roles.
> > > >
> > > > [Med] Yes.
> > > >
> > > > However all works if the TCP + TLS layer roles are switched - in
> > > > > the
> > > > > same way that UDP + DTLS work.
> > > >
> > > > [Med] Great. We went for this approach because we preserve the same
> > role
> > > > for both DTLS and TLS:
> > > >
> > > >               +-----------+                        +-----------+
> > > >               | Call Home |                        | Call Home |
> > > >               |    DOTS   |                        |    DOTS   |
> > > >               |   server  |                        |   client  |
> > > >               +-----+-----+                        +-----+-----+
> > > >               (D)TLS client                        (D)TLS server
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Enhancing the libcoap code to support only the TCP layer being
> > switched
> > > is
> > > > > doable - but have no idea as to whether other CoAP implementations
> > can
> > > > > handle this specific requirement.
> > > >
> > > > [Med] Do we really need to do that?
> > >
> > > Jon> No.  It was my mis-reading of the text that caused this confusion.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > *** Not (yet) Implemented #1 - Redirected Signalling
> > > > >
> > > > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dots-signal-call-home-
> > > 06#section-
> > > > > 3.2.
> > > > > 2
> > > > >
> > > > > I do not see any issues here.
> > > > >
> > > > > *** Not (yet) implemented #2 - New Conflict Cause 4
> > > > >
> > > > > I do not see any issues here.
> > > > >
> > > > > *** Not (yet) Implemented #3 - Address sharing considerations
> > > > >
> > > > > https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-dots-signal-call-home-
> > > 06#section-
> > > > > 3.3.
> > > > > 2
> > > > >
> > > > > I do not see any issues here - just need to interface with the
> > > translators
> > > > > to get the appropriate information.
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards
> > > > >
> > > > > Jon
> > > > >
> > > > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > > > From: Dots [mailto:ietf-supjps-dots-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf
> Of
> > > > Valery
> > > > > > Smyslov
> > > > > > Sent: 23 October 2019 08:36
> > > > > > To: dots@ietf.org
> > > > > > Cc: dots-chairs@ietf.org
> > > > > > Subject: [Dots] WGLC on draft-ietf-dots-signal-call-home-06
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > this message starts a Work Group Last Call (WGLC) for
> > > > > draft-ietf-dots-signal-
> > > > > > call-home-06.
> > > > > > The version to be reviewed is here:
> > > > > https://www.ietf.org/id/draft-ietf-dots-
> > > > > > signal-call-home-06.txt
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The WGLC will last for two weeks and will end on November the
> 7th.
> > > > > > Please send your comments to the list before this date.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > > Frank & Valery.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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