Re: [Dots] [core] I-D Action: draft-ietf-core-new-block-05.txt

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Hi Med,

Thanks for the new document version.

Please, see below some comments on the latest additions, also related to
what Jon raised at [1].

Best,
/Marco

[1] https://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/core/Orr8a1WlSu3Dk-gtPQZloDT9_1E/


* Section 3.5 - This seems to mix aspects specific to Observe, with more
general aspects applicable to requests with a payload, i.e. FETCH (with
or without Observe), PUT, POST and PATCH/iPATCH.

  What is specific of Observe is the first paragraph; and the usage of
the Observe option in the second and third paragraph. Anything else
seems generic and applicable to requests with payload, so it might be
moved up to some earlier section.


* Section 3.5 - In the third paragraph, I'm not sure you necessarily
need a payload to be present in the requests asking for missing response
payloads. For instance, consider:
 
  - The examples in Figure 10 and Figure 11 of RFC 7959, with the note
"(no payload for requests with Block2 with NUM != 0)" , during the phase
where the client consecutively asks for the next response payload.

  - The examples in Figure 2 and Figure 3 of [2], where each request for
the next response payload using Block2 has no payload of its own.

This would of course affect the example in Figure 15.
 
[2] https://tools.ietf.org/html/draft-ietf-ace-coap-est-18


* Section 3.5 - About the last sentence regarding the Observe option,
there seems to be an exception to this rule (at least based on the later
examples), where the server actually does include the Observe option in
the response.

   That is, consider the example in Figure 10, where the response with
M:0xba is lost. Later on, the client asks for that response payload by
sending the request with M:0x87, which correctly does not include the
Observe option.
  
   However, the following response with M:oxc3 and (from the point of
view of the server) retransmitting that response payload with block
number 10 does include the Observe option.
  
   The exception seems due to the fact that the retransmission request
from the client is specifically what you call 'Continue' Q-Block-2 in
Section 3.4. The Observe option is in fact not included for the
previously retransmitted response payloads with M:0xbb ... M:0xc2, as
still part of the current payload set.


* Section 3.6 - Part of the first sentence in the second paragraph seems
to repeat what already said in the third paragraph of Section 3.5.



On 2021-01-13 19:13, mohamed.boucadair@orange.com wrote:
> Hi all, 
>
> This version integrates the latest comments from Marco, especially the handling of FETCH. New examples were also added to illustrate the intended behavior. 
>
> If there are still any pending issues, please let us know. 
>
> Cheers,
> Jon & Med
>
>> -----Message d'origine-----
>> De : I-D-Announce [mailto:i-d-announce-bounces@ietf.org] De la part
>> de internet-drafts@ietf.org
>> Envoyé : mercredi 13 janvier 2021 19:06
>> À : i-d-announce@ietf.org
>> Cc : core@ietf.org
>> Objet : I-D Action: draft-ietf-core-new-block-05.txt
>>
>>
>> A New Internet-Draft is available from the on-line Internet-Drafts
>> directories.
>> This draft is a work item of the Constrained RESTful Environments WG
>> of the IETF.
>>
>>         Title           : Constrained Application Protocol (CoAP)
>> Block-Wise Transfer Options for Faster Transmission
>>         Authors         : Mohamed Boucadair
>>                           Jon Shallow
>> 	Filename        : draft-ietf-core-new-block-05.txt
>> 	Pages           : 42
>> 	Date            : 2021-01-13
>>
>> Abstract:
>>    This document specifies alternative Constrained Application
>> Protocol
>>    (CoAP) Block-Wise transfer options: Q-Block1 and Q-Block2
>> Options.
>>
>>    These options are similar to the CoAP Block1 and Block2 Options,
>> not
>>    a replacement for them, but do enable faster transmission rates
>> for
>>    large amounts of data with less packet interchanges as well as
>>    supporting faster recovery should any of the blocks get lost in
>>    transmission.
>>
>>
>> The IETF datatracker status page for this draft is:
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>> A diff from the previous version is available at:
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