Re: [dsfjdssdfsd] Any plans for drafts or discussions on here?

Krisztián Pintér <pinterkr@gmail.com> Fri, 24 January 2014 17:02 UTC

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Subject: Re: [dsfjdssdfsd] Any plans for drafts or discussions on here?
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Michael Hammer (at Friday, January 24, 2014, 12:19:03 AM):
> Hmmm...  that makes it sound rather subjective.
> If we don't have objective measures, 
> then who is to say that one's randomness is better or worse than another?

as i said, we need to examine the physical processes. the best source
of entropy as of now is thermal noise. we understand thermal noise to
a great degree, we don't expect sudden breakthrough in modeling it,
and it is relatively abundant and easy to access. user input also
contains noise, as the user can control keystroke or mouse movement
timing up to some 10's or 100's of milliseconds, below that, it is
just noise from the equipment and the "biological equipment".

> Was thinking in terms of how an app with access to alternate random sources,
> some which might be from OS or from some software, might choose one over
> another.

if you are adamant on doing homebrewed, why choose? you can combine
them. if your combinator is good, you can't lose.