Re: [dsfjdssdfsd] Any plans for drafts or discussions on here?

Krisztián Pintér <pinterkr@gmail.com> Wed, 22 January 2014 17:51 UTC

Return-Path: <pinterkr@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: dsfjdssdfsd@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: dsfjdssdfsd@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id D9FBA1A011B for <dsfjdssdfsd@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 22 Jan 2014 09:51:42 -0800 (PST)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -1.7
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.7 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, MIME_8BIT_HEADER=0.3, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=no
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id Lj3InpWaWyax for <dsfjdssdfsd@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 22 Jan 2014 09:51:42 -0800 (PST)
Received: from mail-ee0-x232.google.com (mail-ee0-x232.google.com [IPv6:2a00:1450:4013:c00::232]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E06D41A0186 for <dsfjdssdfsd@ietf.org>; Wed, 22 Jan 2014 09:51:41 -0800 (PST)
Received: by mail-ee0-f50.google.com with SMTP id d17so5186734eek.9 for <dsfjdssdfsd@ietf.org>; Wed, 22 Jan 2014 09:51:40 -0800 (PST)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=date:from:message-id:to:cc:subject:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=uleh95dFYgO1FUERNA1S/L8FuKi0bXZRJr/GhfmeZto=; b=PN2h7wCsIQ6SKVgtaUgwik9qjQxm6j9VCf71gHpVN59hTKzqy7s/H7OOcabTLLNNyM DOjRgtuF4RBR7p12KfhDo+2KcOyLjpka0YEhmnqY+wPP4lxSIWH45T7MjaBDNW5CxLvN HawhURfDEQrT6OQas9PUgTGx39DBu3fjpGLlg8Mowi6JpkbMxS8/UGacPN/rbj5Zskqm LJKFZiOm4gUhLpnWk2JG8wgoHUi1EPaJZrsDfD2seR5tQPB3MeYHegu81SDuHgyOsn6a 4G/DXeqbtOmvZQEYjigJBYGg399W4INP6L3cG4MpBoVJph+dW+P9Bj4TN0Afpv98WpTA CHtg==
X-Received: by 10.14.103.194 with SMTP id f42mr2849164eeg.15.1390413100955; Wed, 22 Jan 2014 09:51:40 -0800 (PST)
Received: from [192.168.2.244] (catv-176-63-52-22.catv.broadband.hu. [176.63.52.22]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPSA id v1sm29742458eef.9.2014.01.22.09.51.39 for <multiple recipients> (version=TLSv1 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128/128); Wed, 22 Jan 2014 09:51:40 -0800 (PST)
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 18:51:49 +0100
From: =?iso-8859-15?Q?Kriszti=E1n_Pint=E9r?= <pinterkr@gmail.com>
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
Message-ID: <1737731959.20140122185149@gmail.com>
To: Paul Hoffman <paul.hoffman@vpnc.org>
In-Reply-To: <30316745-8091-46AD-95A1-407757489FF9@vpnc.org>
References: <52DD996F.3040708@cs.tcd.ie> <CAF4+nEHEWaSr3HMuGtQ=vQzuuhkTo2uNpedUTNgmT5NsWRsTfA@mail.gmail.com> <30316745-8091-46AD-95A1-407757489FF9@vpnc.org>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
Cc: Donald Eastlake <d3e3e3@gmail.com>, dsfjdssdfsd@ietf.org, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>
Subject: Re: [dsfjdssdfsd] Any plans for drafts or discussions on here?
X-BeenThere: dsfjdssdfsd@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15
Precedence: list
List-Id: "The dsfjdssdfsd list provides a venue for discussion of randomness in IETF protocols, for example related to updating RFC 4086." <dsfjdssdfsd.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/dsfjdssdfsd>, <mailto:dsfjdssdfsd-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/dsfjdssdfsd/>
List-Post: <mailto:dsfjdssdfsd@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:dsfjdssdfsd-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dsfjdssdfsd>, <mailto:dsfjdssdfsd-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2014 17:51:43 -0000

Paul Hoffman (at Tuesday, January 21, 2014, 2:28:26 AM):
> It still feels very wrong
> for us to be suggesting to application developers that they should
> be doing their own randomness; they should be asking their OS unless
> they are experts, and those experts don't need an RFC.

(new to the list, and i'm not sure about the scope or context, so
forgive me if i'm talking nonsense.)

i agree that the OS should do the work, for multiple reasons, 1, it is
better done in a protected environment (aka ring 0), 2, OS has access
to more entropy, 3, better have one excellent than many good
solutions.

that said, what is the list of OS's today that has sound, reviewed
RNG? openbsd, ...? so this is pretty thin.