Re: [dsfjdssdfsd] what not to do...

Sandy Harris <sandyinchina@gmail.com> Wed, 02 April 2014 14:24 UTC

Return-Path: <sandyinchina@gmail.com>
X-Original-To: dsfjdssdfsd@ietfa.amsl.com
Delivered-To: dsfjdssdfsd@ietfa.amsl.com
Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73C471A0225 for <dsfjdssdfsd@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 2 Apr 2014 07:24:27 -0700 (PDT)
X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com
X-Spam-Flag: NO
X-Spam-Score: -2
X-Spam-Level:
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham
Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id C9KXSGU6_CG4 for <dsfjdssdfsd@ietfa.amsl.com>; Wed, 2 Apr 2014 07:24:23 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from mail-qc0-x236.google.com (mail-qc0-x236.google.com [IPv6:2607:f8b0:400d:c01::236]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5D9FE1A0241 for <dsfjdssdfsd@ietf.org>; Wed, 2 Apr 2014 07:24:22 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by mail-qc0-f182.google.com with SMTP id e16so282762qcx.13 for <dsfjdssdfsd@ietf.org>; Wed, 02 Apr 2014 07:24:18 -0700 (PDT)
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=zYfOTiLw9skawNUbd6Svx8y4gqC6sl4GiSqjENlECuk=; b=CRwNN77SoHTWGzUu36TuKBYQSMRLyavwmMPf3lsvKXBkgUReAo1Y/are+Fc/ZV9K1q 1O0dqPjFaHdgkxHu4kNAW7okHSAlJZti2VYZhmBe1on3j1ejqbE6Rnda8CATuPUVF9H8 2Bq2BVrI9hzcBiKin+JrQ2m7iaGVA27ryDMb4FB3++d/UG5IDlW7CI7dQMKwAVqDCE+D OJYReSqsPEIgt4oMk9tXTvAapJhXoCEQyVIhY+L2XPBTTLqv63uhb6H8NSAmHJEkxV2H +mJjIMIdGj3JUJcZBYJUF5+KhiNyWilC4jo/KBxXw5uwkd47xDwfJb8vEC5ytvubzORw pHsw==
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-Received: by 10.140.49.233 with SMTP id q96mr975160qga.76.1396448654815; Wed, 02 Apr 2014 07:24:14 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.140.21.197 with HTTP; Wed, 2 Apr 2014 07:24:14 -0700 (PDT)
In-Reply-To: <533AF317.5070901@cs.tcd.ie>
References: <533AF317.5070901@cs.tcd.ie>
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2014 10:24:14 -0400
Message-ID: <CACXcFm=ts6JWuW+pQtaqZ720QDxnEa22UZW2NiBYMgCCV7MPuw@mail.gmail.com>
From: Sandy Harris <sandyinchina@gmail.com>
To: dsfjdssdfsd@ietf.org
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Archived-At: http://mailarchive.ietf.org/arch/msg/dsfjdssdfsd/TjpW6J0mgk1PLNrWfcaFtgIZ2eY
Subject: Re: [dsfjdssdfsd] what not to do...
X-BeenThere: dsfjdssdfsd@ietf.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15
Precedence: list
List-Id: "The dsfjdssdfsd list provides a venue for discussion of randomness in IETF protocols, for example related to updating RFC 4086." <dsfjdssdfsd.ietf.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/options/dsfjdssdfsd>, <mailto:dsfjdssdfsd-request@ietf.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <http://www.ietf.org/mail-archive/web/dsfjdssdfsd/>
List-Post: <mailto:dsfjdssdfsd@ietf.org>
List-Help: <mailto:dsfjdssdfsd-request@ietf.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dsfjdssdfsd>, <mailto:dsfjdssdfsd-request@ietf.org?subject=subscribe>
X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2014 14:24:27 -0000

On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 1:10 PM, Stephen Farrell
<stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie>; wrote:

> It seems like there's a lot of knowledge on that spread
> about and if there was someone was willing and able maybe
> an informational RFC about mistakes that have been made
> and how implementers can avoid 'em might be useful.

I think the old RFC 1750 and current 4086 pretty much cover that.
https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc4086

There has been mailing list discussion of an update to 4086, but
I do not know how that is progressing.

> Or maybe there's a survey paper out there somewhere
> or thesis that already has a load of that material?

At least two reference pages have been mentioned on
various lists. I have looked at two and found both quite
good. Unfortunately, I only recall one URL:
http://www.av8n.com/computer/htm/secure-random.htm