Re: [dsii] Potential IETF Work Items
Andrew Maffei <amaffei@whoi.edu> Tue, 14 August 2012 16:35 UTC
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On Aug 14, 2012, at 11:56 AM, Melinda Shore wrote: > On 8/14/12 6:16 AM, Russ Housley wrote: >> At the DSII BOF in Vancouver, Andy Maffei gave a list of potential >> work items. Is there interest in pursuing any of them in the IETF? > > I think that given our history with other standards bodies trying to > standardize IP technologies and our reaction to those, it might not be > a terrible idea to tread a little lightly here, and make sure that > the IETF wouldn't be stepping on anybody else's toes. > > I'm generally not a fan of bringing this work to the IETF, but if > there really is support for it I think that we do have the expertise > within the organization for working on identifiers and we definitely > do not have the expertise for working on what's basically library > metadata. I also think that we shouldn't be in the business of > attempting to limit PIDs, because, basically, we can't. > > I'm unconvinced that much thought has been given to what sort of > expertise the IETF can bring to bear on any of these questions. > > Melinda Thanks Melinda, I think the two initiatives are getting at a "getting to know you" stage. I agree that more thought is required and treading lightly is a sound approach. My list was intended as brain-storming fodder rather than a well-thought out proposal for moving forward. My hope is that there is some way that the lessons-learned over the decades by the IETF about interoperability approaches would be transferrable to the dsii interests -- whether around indentifers or certain types of metadata. I found that the metadata I-D for the CDNI WG, for example, had some overlap in some types of dsii metadata needs. I agree that IETF is less appropriate for more "Library-type" metadata but the CDNI metadata was not that. Three options for engagement seem worthwhile considering: 1. More dsii-interested folks currently outside IETF could start participating in WGs w cross-cutting interests, once they are identified. 2. More IETF'ers could be engaged to participate in current dsii initiatives outside the IETF and be offered a platform from which an IETF perspective can be heard. ("Big Data" seems to be getting big these days for better or worse). 3. A dsii working-group might someday be formed within IETF. I think that the first 2 options are pre-requisites for the 3rd so that we can gain familiarity with each others use-cases and cultures and thus lower the risk of a "bad start". As I have gotten older I have learned how important "good starts" are to initiatives. --Andrew Maffei Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution amaffei@whoi.edu
- [dsii] Potential IETF Work Items Russ Housley
- Re: [dsii] Potential IETF Work Items Melinda Shore
- Re: [dsii] Potential IETF Work Items Andrew Maffei
- Re: [dsii] Potential IETF Work Items Leif Johansson
- Re: [dsii] Potential IETF Work Items Melinda Shore
- Re: [dsii] Potential IETF Work Items Ed Summers
- Re: [dsii] Potential IETF Work Items Scott Brim
- Re: [dsii] Potential IETF Work Items Andrew Maffei
- Re: [dsii] Potential IETF Work Items Ted Hardie
- Re: [dsii] Potential IETF Work Items Melinda Shore
- Re: [dsii] Potential IETF Work Items Ted Hardie
- Re: [dsii] Potential IETF Work Items Melinda Shore
- Re: [dsii] Potential IETF Work Items Guangqing Deng
- Re: [dsii] Potential IETF Work Items Andrew Maffei
- Re: [dsii] Potential IETF Work Items Beth Plale
- Re: [dsii] Potential IETF Work Items Melinda Shore
- Re: [dsii] Potential IETF Work Items Guangqing Deng
- Re: [dsii] Potential IETF Work Items Guangqing Deng
- Re: [dsii] Potential IETF Work Items Beth Plale
- Re: [dsii] Potential IETF Work Items Scott Brim