Re: [Dtls-iot] dice wg future work... or time to declare victory?

Zach Shelby <Zach.Shelby@arm.com> Tue, 20 October 2015 15:58 UTC

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From: Zach Shelby <Zach.Shelby@arm.com>
To: Hannes Tschofenig <hannes.tschofenig@gmx.net>
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Subject: Re: [Dtls-iot] dice wg future work... or time to declare victory?
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Hannes,

I think that makes good sense.

Zach

> On 20 Oct 2015, at 08:48, Hannes Tschofenig <hannes.tschofenig@gmx.net> wrote:
>
> Let's close the group and cover group communication in the ACE working
> group instead. It is my impression that the train for adding multicast
> security to DTLS has left the station already a while ago and folks are
> in the meanwhile looking at an application layer security solution instead.
>
> On top of that there are far too few (security) people around so that
> the overlap between ACE and DICE is almost 100% anyway. Those who are
> interested group security are even a small subset of the security folks
> in general (let alone those who have domain expertise in, for example,
> the lighting domain).
>
> Ciao
> Hannes
>
>
> On 10/20/2015 05:35 PM, Stephen Farrell wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Congratulations to all involved in getting the DTLS profile
>> document done and through the process.
>>
>> Now that that's done, and given that the originally planned
>> work on group communication hasn't progressed as planned (due
>> to us discovering that it was trickier than we initially
>> thought), I think it's time for the WG to evaluate whether
>> it's time to declare victory and close the WG, or if there's
>> some other work to be done.
>>
>> In chatting with the chairs, we figured that perhaps now is
>> time to declare victory, but of course that's a topic to talk
>> about here, so please send your thoughts on the topic to the
>> list in the next week or two and the chairs and I will see
>> where we think things are at.
>>
>> Cheers and well done again,
>> Stephen, Dorothy ad Zach.
>>
>> PS: The list can remain open even if we do end up closing
>> the working group if that's useful.
>>
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