Return-Path: X-Original-To: dtls-iot@ietfa.amsl.com Delivered-To: dtls-iot@ietfa.amsl.com Received: from localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8C5251B4040 for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2015 07:03:05 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at amsl.com X-Spam-Flag: NO X-Spam-Score: -2.599 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.599 tagged_above=-999 required=5 tests=[BAYES_00=-1.9, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW=-0.7, SPF_PASS=-0.001] autolearn=ham Received: from mail.ietf.org ([4.31.198.44]) by localhost (ietfa.amsl.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jnFsM7iO2myn for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2015 07:03:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BLU004-OMC4S25.hotmail.com (blu004-omc4s25.hotmail.com [65.55.111.164]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by ietfa.amsl.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id BE5AD1B403E for ; Mon, 26 Oct 2015 07:03:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: from BLU436-SMTP151 ([65.55.111.135]) by BLU004-OMC4S25.hotmail.com over TLS secured channel with Microsoft SMTPSVC(7.5.7601.23008); Mon, 26 Oct 2015 07:03:03 -0700 X-TMN: [CI6k2JvlbawUZPtLJyNwqHcQSby2asxA] X-Originating-Email: [periodic@live.com] Message-ID: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_204445EC-1007-465A-BE44-BED4CD157088" MIME-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 9.0 \(3094\)) From: Shahid Raza In-Reply-To: <562E2BDA.3050306@cs.tcd.ie> Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 15:02:57 +0100 References: <56265F53.7040108@cs.tcd.ie> <5626624A.6050307@gmx.net> <866AAD58-17FA-46B1-B179-C38A5348C69D@arm.com> <5626666F.7080106@gmx.net> <562E0919.80504@sics.se> <562E0EDB.2060108@tzi.org> <562E23A6.1000705@cs.tcd.ie> <562E2BDA.3050306@cs.tcd.ie> To: Stephen Farrell X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3094) X-OriginalArrivalTime: 26 Oct 2015 14:03:00.0290 (UTC) FILETIME=[0606C220:01D10FF7] Archived-At: Cc: Carsten Bormann , Hannes Tschofenig , "Kumar, Sandeep" , "dtls-iot@ietf.org" Subject: Re: [Dtls-iot] dice wg future work... or time to declare victory? X-BeenThere: dtls-iot@ietf.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.15 Precedence: list List-Id: DTLS for IoT discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2015 14:03:05 -0000 --Apple-Mail=_204445EC-1007-465A-BE44-BED4CD157088 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have no doubt about the sincerity of their thoughts. By fake I meant, = "not applicable or suitable" in the context of DTLS-based group = communication for the IoT. Also, as I said before, most of the criticism is very much valid.=20 /Shahid > On 26 Oct 2015, at 14:34, Stephen Farrell = wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 > On 26/10/15 13:30, Shahid Raza wrote: >> some fake criticism (unfortunately more loud) >=20 > That is also inappropriate. You may not agree with them, but your > disagreeing does not mean that whoever was criticising was being > disingenuous and it is not appropriate (not productive) to try to > denigrate other IETF participants in that manner. >=20 > S. >=20 > _______________________________________________ > dtls-iot mailing list > dtls-iot@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/dtls-iot >=20 --Apple-Mail=_204445EC-1007-465A-BE44-BED4CD157088 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" I have no doubt about = the sincerity of their thoughts. By fake I meant, "not applicable or = suitable" in the context of DTLS-based group communication for the IoT.
Also, as I said before, most = of the criticism is very much valid. 

/Shahid

On 26 Oct = 2015, at 14:34, Stephen Farrell <stephen.farrell@cs.tcd.ie> wrote:



On 26/10/15 13:30, Shahid Raza = wrote:
some fake = criticism (unfortunately more loud)

That is also inappropriate. You may not agree with them, but = your
disagreeing does not mean that whoever was = criticising was being
disingenuous and it is not = appropriate (not productive) to try to
denigrate other = IETF participants in that manner.

S.

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