Re: [dtn-security] Newbie seeking some security related advice
"Graham Keellings (Leonix Solutions Pte Ltd)" <Graham@LeonixSolutions.com> Tue, 09 June 2009 05:58 UTC
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Jason Redi wrote: > Minor comment to Armando's email: > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: dtn-security-bounces@maillists.intel-research.net [mailto:dtn- >> security-bounces@maillists.intel-research.net] On Behalf Of Armando >> Caro >> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2009 8:14 PM >> To: Ivancic, William D. (GRC-RHN0) >> Cc: dtn-security@maillists.intel-research.net >> Subject: Re: [dtn-security] Newbie seeking some security related advice >> >> Ivancic, William D. (GRC-RHN0) wrote: >> >>> I believe DARPA is using DTN for voice networks but I believe the >>> >> disruption is expected to be very quick fades and the like or perhaps >> that voice simply will not make sense at certain times. >> >> I believe you are referring to the work that BBN is doing for the DARPA >> WNaN program. For this program, we run IP over DTN and use VoIP without >> modifications to the VoIP application. We are using the BPA as a >> forwarding engine that works in both connected and disconnected >> scenarios. VoIP traffic (and other delay sensitive traffic) are only >> routed/forwarded to destinations that are currently connected, since >> VoIP doesn't make sense for disconnected destinations. If a node >> receives VoIP traffic for a disconnected destination, the traffic is >> dropped. >> > > As Armando describes, we are currently using streaming voice over BP. > Individual packets contain 20-100ms of voice, so sending those individual > buffers in an individual disrupted fashion would not make a whole lot of > sense. > Note that we are also working on providing voice-snippets of 1-10s > Wow! That surely *is* delay tolerant (if not disruption tolerant). You have to wait until you have collected 10 seconds of voice at the sender before transmitting. That guarantees a lag of over 9 seconds at the receiver, or 18+ seconds to get a reply to a question. I think that I need to rethink :-) Or, at least, we can say that such delay might be acceptable in some scenarios, but not in others. Nasa might have no choice, given the lag inherent in very long range transmissions, but I doubt that DARPA can accept multi-seconds delays in combat scenarios. I am looking at a "real time" voice network, where it has been strongly "suggested" that I use DTN, but I am thinking that all that it will bring to my particular use case is that I don't have to worry about "link lost" for a short time bringing down the call. My personal feel is that DTN is not the right tool for the job for a mainly voice based short range system where speed of reply is of the essence. I don't see that the benefits justify it, but then I don't get to make the decision (and if I recommend against it, I probably don't get the contract. Sigh) Thank you very much for taking he time to reply and for helping me to clarify my thoughts. With best wishes, Graham > that could be sent in a disrupted fashion over the network. But ultimately > that's just data like any other bundle. The only real "work" there is in > the application, not the BP. > > The key point is that voice can either be streaming as little snippets or > buffered as a big blob. If it is a big blob, it's just another bundle. If > it is streaming, then one needs to make sure you have a BPA/router that adds > only a minimal amount of additional overhead to the forwarding process. (as > Armando says below) > > >> One important take-away from this work... the motivation of DTN is to >> support delay/disrupted scenarios and apps that can operate in that >> regime, but it is possible to implement a DTN stack that can also deal >> with time-sensitive traffic. >> >> Armando >> _______________________________________________ >> dtn-security mailing list >> dtn-security@maillists.intel-research.net >> http://maillists.intel-research.net/mailman/listinfo/dtn-security >> > > > _______________________________________________ > dtn-security mailing list > dtn-security@maillists.intel-research.net > http://maillists.intel-research.net/mailman/listinfo/dtn-security > > -- Technical Director Leonix Solutions (Pte) Ltd 18 Boon Lay Way #09-95 TradeHub 21 Singapore 609966 Telephone:+65 6316 9968 Fax: +65 6316 9208
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