Re: [dtn] [EXTERNAL] on obsoleting RFC5050

"Burleigh, Scott C (US 312B)" <scott.c.burleigh@jpl.nasa.gov> Thu, 17 October 2019 14:12 UTC

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From: "Burleigh, Scott C (US 312B)" <scott.c.burleigh@jpl.nasa.gov>
To: Marc Blanchet <marc.blanchet@viagenie.ca>, DTN WG <dtn@ietf.org>
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Thread-Topic: [EXTERNAL] [dtn] on obsoleting RFC5050
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Subject: Re: [dtn] [EXTERNAL] on obsoleting RFC5050
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I enthusiastically support this proposal.

Scott

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Subject: [EXTERNAL] [dtn] on obsoleting RFC5050


Hello,
based on the various inputs and good discussion on the mailing list regarding obsoleting RFC5050, the chairs have come to this conclusion. Please state your support or not so we can move forward.

Regards, Marc&Rick, co-chairs.

  *   RFC5050 is an experimental RFC, done in IRTF, while draft-ietf-dtn-bpbis will be a Standard track RFC, done in IETF. Different streams, different processes.
  *   we believe there is a strong consensus to not continue working on RFC5050 and not try to be backward compatible. RFC5050 implementations and deployments can continue as they see fit.
  *   IANA registries have their own life, whatever the stream or type of RFC they were created from. They can always be updated by a new RFC.
  *   Given that, we suggest the following steps:

     *   1) draft-ietf-dtn-bpbis would not obsolete RFC5050. Instead we would notify IRTF that draft-ietf-dtn-bpbis is an update of RFC5050. IRTF will decide what they want to do, if anything, with RFC5050.
     *   2) in the new version of the charter that we are currently working on, we will state clearly that there is no intent to work on or make compatible work with RFC5050 and related RFCs
     *   3) DTN working group document authors will review the IANA registries as they are today and request whatever modifications needed, which may include changing the policies, the content, the rules, …