Re: [earlywarning] Beijing agenda slots

"DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)" <BD2985@att.com> Wed, 15 September 2010 13:48 UTC

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I respectively disagree Brian.

I believe if ATOCA desires to have applicability in wireless networks
using the layer 2 cell broadcast, then involvement through liaison of
ATIS WTSC - where the authority o citizen cell broadcast based standards
work has been ongoing for the U.S. - is essential in the requirements,
architecture and protocol development phases. Without cooperation and
fully understanding the implications of the layer 2, I cannot see how
there can even be consideration for ATOCA over such wireless networks.

As a member of this group, I think it is essential to see a liaison
established early. Although I do not see ATOCA displacing CMAS,
understanding and working together in collaboration is important.

Regards,
Brian K. Daly
AT&T Mobility Services, LLC
+1.425.580.6873
brian.k.daly@att.com

Rethink Possible


-----Original Message-----
From: Brian Rosen [mailto:br@brianrosen.net] 
Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2010 5:58 AM
To: DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
Cc: rbarnes@bbn.com; keith.drage@alcatel-lucent.com;
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Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Beijing agenda slots

We have long talked about wishing to be able to take advantage of any
available L2 mechanisms.  We can't be dependent on them, but we should
be aware of what mechanisms might be available, and design our protocols
so that they can be used when available.  This would include multicast,
and I think would include cell broadcast.

I certainly agree that there is no relationship between ATOCA and PWS or
CMAS, but cell broadcast is not exclusive to PWS/CMAS.  

I don't think we need any liaisons at this time.  I think we need to
learn how cell broadcast works.  I don't care who we learn it from.

Brian
On Sep 14, 2010, at 11:33 PM, DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW) wrote:

> I believe you need to establish a liaison with ATIS and 3GPP then as
that would require standards support from lower layers. 
> Brian K. Daly
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Richard L. Barnes <rbarnes@bbn.com>
> To: DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
> Cc: keith.drage@alcatel-lucent.com <keith.drage@alcatel-lucent.com>om>;
mark.wood@engineer.com <mark.wood@engineer.com>om>; earlywarning@ietf.org
<earlywarning@ietf.org>
> Sent: Tue Sep 14 20:27:34 2010
> Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Beijing agenda slots
> 
> I disagree.  I think Brian had it right that it would be good if the  
> ATOCA system could benefit from other lower-layer or domain-specific  
> systems.
> --Richard
> 
> 
> On Sep 14, 2010, at 8:42 PM, DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW) wrote:
> 
>> Agree. ATOCA is not cell broadcast based alerting. That work is done

>> in 3GPP and ATIS. There is no relationship to the ATOCA work and PWS.
>> ------Original Message------
>> From: DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
>> To: mark.wood@engineer.com
>> Cc: earlywarning@ietf.org
>> Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Beijing agenda slots
>> Sent: Sep 14, 2010 7:30 AM
>> 
>> Can I suggest you read the charter of ATOCA before introducing 4G  
>> discussions to the meetings.
>> 
>> It is not the function of ATOCA to define a replacement for cell  
>> broadcast systems of warning.
>> 
>> Keith
>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: earlywarning-bounces@ietf.org
>>> [mailto:earlywarning-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Mark Wood
>>> Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 10:23 AM
>>> To: Thomson, Martin
>>> Cc: earlywarning@ietf.org
>>> Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Beijing agenda slots
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi People;
>>> 
>>> I am Mark Wood, the convener of the ITU-T SG2 liaison on
>>> "multicast address space harmonization for civic purposes".
>>> 
>>> As a matter of reference for your kind attention, I can take
>>> a few minutes to describe the mechanism of cell broadcasting
>>> in 2nd and 3rd generation mobile networks and explain the
>>> ITU-T SG2 liaison, so that we can discuss if any of the
>>> discoveries made there are of any relevance to the ATOCA
>>> deliberations or not.
>>> 
>>> The ITU is not seeking any infuence over IETF deliberations,
>>> but the process at ITU has been on going for 4 years, and a
>>> lot of discoveries were made in that time which you may find
>>> interesting.
>>> 
>>> The next ITU-T SG2 meeting is the week after the IETF, so I
>>> will be in a position to relay to them any thoughts or
>>> observations that you may have.
>>> At the last ITU meeting Nov 2009, questions were raised on
>>> the matter of 4G mobile networks and how they would
>>> accommodate public warnings,
>> 
>> ------Original Message Truncated------
>> 
>> Brian K. Daly
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