Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Discussions
Richard Barnes <rbarnes@bbn.com> Wed, 07 April 2010 21:56 UTC
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Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Discussions
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Fine with me. On Apr 7, 2010, at 5:54 PM, Brian Rosen wrote: > I'm not bothered by the first part. I don't like the last phrase, > because > I'm not sure we should specifically describe such capabilities, and > it may > not be a gateway. How about changing the last sentence to "A goal > of the > work will be to be able to use layer-2 specific mechanisms, where > available, > to minimize load on the network." > > > On 4/7/10 5:41 PM, "Richard Barnes" <rbarnes@bbn.com> wrote: > >> Ok, I can grant that that's something that's not clearly explained in >> the current charter. However, it's also an issue that will tend to >> be >> layer-2 specific. How about something like this: >> >> " >> Emergency alerts that are delivered to large numbers of endpoints can >> put a large load on the network, particularly when many affected >> users >> are on the same local network (e.g., the 100,000 attendees at a >> sporting event). This working group will consider mechanisms for >> minimizing this load, such as IP multicast. In particular, some >> approaches have been developed to handle emergency alerting in >> different types networks, and it will be a goal of this working group >> to facilitate interoperability with these approaches, for example, to >> enable gateways to relay messages from this Internet mechanism into a >> specific layer-2 channel. >> " >> >> >> >> On Apr 7, 2010, at 4:47 PM, SENNETT, DEWAYNE A (ATTCINW) wrote: >> >>> It is deficient because it does not take into account the impacts >>> that >>> will occur to the various access technologies. All access >>> technologies >>> do not have the same capacity, bandwidth, etc. Therefore any design >>> that >>> has the potential to send information to all citizens within an area >>> via >>> any variety of access technologies needs to consider these factors. >>> For >>> example, consider the scenario of trying to send an alert to the >>> 100,000 >>> fans at a college football game. >>> >>> The current draft charter of ATOCA does not address this which is >>> why >>> the additional sentences for the second paragraph were proposed. >>> >>> DeWayne >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Richard Barnes [mailto:rbarnes@bbn.com] >>> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 1:38 PM >>> To: SENNETT, DEWAYNE A (ATTCINW) >>> Cc: DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW); Henning Schulzrinne; DOLLY, MARTIN C >>> (ATTLABS); earlywarning@ietf.org >>> Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Discussions >>> >>> Could you please clarify how you believe it to be deficient? >>> >>> >>> >>> On Apr 7, 2010, at 4:37 PM, SENNETT, DEWAYNE A (ATTCINW) wrote: >>> >>>> My "personal" view is that the charter as currently written is not >>>> correct or adequate. >>>> >>>> DeWayne >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: earlywarning-bounces@ietf.org >>>> [mailto:earlywarning-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of DALY, BRIAN K >>>> (ATTCINW) >>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 1:33 PM >>>> To: Henning Schulzrinne; DOLLY, MARTIN C (ATTLABS) >>>> Cc: earlywarning@ietf.org >>>> Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Discussions >>>> >>>> Fine but my "personal" view does not change. >>>> >>>> Brian Daly >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Henning Schulzrinne [mailto:hgs@cs.columbia.edu] >>>> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 1:31 PM >>>> To: DOLLY, MARTIN C (ATTLABS) >>>> Cc: DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW); earlywarning@ietf.org >>>> Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Discussions >>>> >>>> The point is that people speak as individuals in the IETF and there >>>> is >>>> no particular notion that a corporate opinion has any more weight >>>> than >>>> that of any individual. Thus, stating a corporate opinion is out of >>>> place and against IETF custom and convention. >>>> >>>> >>>> Henning >>>> >>>> On Apr 7, 2010, at 4:28 PM, DOLLY, MARTIN C (ATTLABS) wrote: >>>> >>>>> They sure do, look at everyone's badge >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: earlywarning-bounces@ietf.org <earlywarning- >>>>> bounces@ietf.org> >>>>> To: DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW) >>>>> Cc: earlywarning@ietf.org <earlywarning@ietf.org> >>>>> Sent: Wed Apr 07 16:21:20 2010 >>>>> Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Discussions >>>>> >>>>> I didn't know that the IETF had corporate opinions. But maybe the >>>>> IETF >>>> rules have changed recently? >>>>> >>>>> Henning >>>>> >>>>> On Apr 7, 2010, at 4:13 PM, DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW) wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> For the record, AT&T is in opposition to removing the last >>>>>> sentence. >>>>>> >>>>>> Brian Daly >>>>>> AT&T >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> earlywarning mailing list >>>>> earlywarning@ietf.org >>>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> earlywarning mailing list >>>> earlywarning@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> earlywarning mailing list >>>> earlywarning@ietf.org >>>> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> earlywarning mailing list >> earlywarning@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning > >
- [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Discuss… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… SENNETT, DEWAYNE A (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… ken carlberg
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Brian Rosen
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Marc Linsner
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Marc Linsner
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Marc Linsner
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Brian Rosen
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… SENNETT, DEWAYNE A (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Marc Linsner
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… MUSGROVE, CHARLES P (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Richard Barnes
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… SENNETT, DEWAYNE A (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Richard Barnes
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… SENNETT, DEWAYNE A (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… James M. Polk
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… James M. Polk
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Brian Rosen
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Richard Barnes
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Janet P Gunn
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Brian Rosen
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Richard Barnes
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Janet P Gunn
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… ken carlberg
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Padma Valluri
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Brian Rosen
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Padma Valluri
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… creed
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… MUSGROVE, CHARLES P (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… creed
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… creed