Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Discussions
Janet P Gunn <jgunn6@csc.com> Wed, 07 April 2010 21:46 UTC
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I think that the relative priority of "citizen to authority", "authority to citizen", "authority to authority", and even "citizen to citizen" needs to be a matter of "local policy", and independent of any IETF defined mechanism. Janet This is a PRIVATE message. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete without copying and kindly advise us by e-mail of the mistake in delivery. NOTE: Regardless of content, this e-mail shall not operate to bind CSC to any order or other contract unless pursuant to explicit written agreement or government initiative expressly permitting the use of e-mail for such purpose. From: "DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)" <BD2985@att.com> To: "Brian Rosen" <br@brianrosen.net>, "ken carlberg" <carlberg@g11.org.uk>, "SENNETT, DEWAYNE A (ATTCINW)" <DS2225@att.com> Cc: Hannes Tschofenig <Hannes.Tschofenig@gmx.net>, earlywarning@ietf.org Date: 04/07/2010 04:06 PM Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Discussions Absolutely false!! You have no clue what the incoming emergency call is about - it could be a kitty in the tree call, as you put it, or it could be "I just had a heart attack and need help immediately". An authority to citizen "call" should never take priority over a citizen to authority, and this is regulated ni the FCC rules for CMAS. And your typhoon analogy proves the point - a typhoon is known several days in advance, while you have minutes to take action on a heart attack. Brian Daly -----Original Message----- From: earlywarning-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:earlywarning-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Brian Rosen Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 1:00 PM To: ken carlberg; SENNETT, DEWAYNE A (ATTCINW) Cc: Hannes Tschofenig; earlywarning@ietf.org Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Discussions Generally, it's not a good idea for any service to impede any other service, but we don't have to say that all the time. Here, I think we don't have to discuss how authority to citizen should be prioritized over citizen to authority. I rather suspect that an outgoing warning of an impending typhoon is more important that an incoming kitty-in-the-tree call, but maybe that's just me. ATOCA may or may not be a replacement for something that exists. Agree with Ken, the market (and in this case, likely governments) will decide. So I would not want to see this text in the charter. Brian On 4/7/10 3:48 PM, "ken carlberg" <carlberg@g11.org.uk> wrote: > > On Apr 7, 2010, at 11:30 AM, SENNETT, DEWAYNE A (ATTCINW) wrote: > >> "The ATOCA solutions will not adversely affect the ability of any access >> technology to provide emergency services to the citizens (e.g. 9-1-1 >> calls) or to provide communication services to first responders or other >> authorized emergency services personnel. Additionally, ATOCA is not >> replacement solution for any authority to citizen alerting supported by >> any access technology." > > given the previous thread on this list, I'm a bit leery of that first > sentence. But, if it were agreed to add it in, then I would expect the > individuals who make a claim that an ATOCA solution adversely affects 9-1-1 > type calls will be required to prove it instead of simply stating a position. > > as for the second sentence, that is out of scope of the IETF. any deployment > of what is considered an ATOCA solution is a market decision. > > -ken > > _______________________________________________ > earlywarning mailing list > earlywarning@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning _______________________________________________ earlywarning mailing list earlywarning@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning _______________________________________________ earlywarning mailing list earlywarning@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning
- [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Discuss… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… SENNETT, DEWAYNE A (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… ken carlberg
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Brian Rosen
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Marc Linsner
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Marc Linsner
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Marc Linsner
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Brian Rosen
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… SENNETT, DEWAYNE A (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Marc Linsner
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… MUSGROVE, CHARLES P (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Richard Barnes
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… SENNETT, DEWAYNE A (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Richard Barnes
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… SENNETT, DEWAYNE A (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… James M. Polk
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… James M. Polk
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Brian Rosen
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Richard Barnes
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Janet P Gunn
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Brian Rosen
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Richard Barnes
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Janet P Gunn
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… ken carlberg
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Padma Valluri
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Brian Rosen
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Padma Valluri
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… creed
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… MUSGROVE, CHARLES P (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… creed
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… creed