Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Discussions
Janet P Gunn <jgunn6@csc.com> Wed, 07 April 2010 22:03 UTC
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Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Discussions
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I don't have a dog in this fight (and I am not even "working") this week- but I can't resist putting in my 2 cents. 1) Typically, the greatest congestion occurs close to the "edges", whether you call it "the access network" or "the last mile". 2) There is often (but by no means always) a positive correlation between events that trigger both "citizen to authority" and "authority to citizen" messages, and localized network congestion. 3) Any mechanism to support either "citizen to authority" or "authority to citizen" , or "authority to authority", "special" treatment should do so in a manner that does not exacerbate the localized congestion. Janet This is a PRIVATE message. If you are not the intended recipient, please delete without copying and kindly advise us by e-mail of the mistake in delivery. NOTE: Regardless of content, this e-mail shall not operate to bind CSC to any order or other contract unless pursuant to explicit written agreement or government initiative expressly permitting the use of e-mail for such purpose. earlywarning-bounces@ietf.org wrote on 04/07/2010 04:20:38 PM: > [image removed] > > Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Discussions > > SENNETT, DEWAYNE A (ATTCINW) > > to: > > ken carlberg > > 04/07/2010 04:21 PM > > Sent by: > > earlywarning-bounces@ietf.org > > Cc: > > Hannes Tschofenig, earlywarning > > In regards to the comment on the first sentence, all services have to be > evaluated for impact before they are implemented in any live > environment. However, a service that is designed from the beginning > with no consideration of the impacts to the access technologies is a > very badly designed service. ATOCA will have an adverse effect to at > least some of the access technologies and if ATOCA is designed without > any considerations of the capabilities and limitations of the access > technologies, it will fail and it will cause adverse effects to the > access technologies. > > The proof of network congestion already exists. This is demonstrated > repeatedly as "all circuits busy" error responses, dropped calls, > fast-busy tones, delayed delivery of SMS messages, etc. > > Since ATOCA is the new communications entity beginning proposed, the > burden of proof is on ATOCA to prove that it will not adversely impact > any of the associated access technologies. > > DeWayne > > > -----Original Message----- > From: earlywarning-bounces@ietf.org > [mailto:earlywarning-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ken carlberg > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 12:48 PM > To: SENNETT, DEWAYNE A (ATTCINW) > Cc: Hannes Tschofenig; earlywarning@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Discussions > > > On Apr 7, 2010, at 11:30 AM, SENNETT, DEWAYNE A (ATTCINW) wrote: > > > "The ATOCA solutions will not adversely affect the ability of any > access > > technology to provide emergency services to the citizens (e.g. 9-1-1 > > calls) or to provide communication services to first responders or > other > > authorized emergency services personnel. Additionally, ATOCA is not > > replacement solution for any authority to citizen alerting supported > by > > any access technology." > > given the previous thread on this list, I'm a bit leery of that first > sentence. But, if it were agreed to add it in, then I would expect the > individuals who make a claim that an ATOCA solution adversely affects > 9-1-1 type calls will be required to prove it instead of simply stating > a position. > > as for the second sentence, that is out of scope of the IETF. any > deployment of what is considered an ATOCA solution is a market decision. > > -ken > > _______________________________________________ > earlywarning mailing list > earlywarning@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning > _______________________________________________ > earlywarning mailing list > earlywarning@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning
- [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Discuss… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… SENNETT, DEWAYNE A (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… ken carlberg
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Brian Rosen
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Marc Linsner
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Marc Linsner
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Marc Linsner
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Brian Rosen
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… SENNETT, DEWAYNE A (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Marc Linsner
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… MUSGROVE, CHARLES P (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Richard Barnes
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… SENNETT, DEWAYNE A (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Richard Barnes
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… SENNETT, DEWAYNE A (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… James M. Polk
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… James M. Polk
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Brian Rosen
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Richard Barnes
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Janet P Gunn
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Brian Rosen
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Richard Barnes
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Janet P Gunn
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… ken carlberg
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Padma Valluri
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Brian Rosen
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Padma Valluri
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… creed
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… MUSGROVE, CHARLES P (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… creed
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… creed