Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Discussions
Richard Barnes <rbarnes@bbn.com> Wed, 07 April 2010 20:36 UTC
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Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Discussions
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Could you clarify how ATOCA "contradicts" these rules? Isn't that kind of like saying that SIP contradicts XMPP? The idea of ATOCA is to build a system with some different features than CMAS, that is still generally interoperable with it. SIP has much better support for lots of PSTN-replacement stuff than XMPP, and conversely XMPP can be a lot simpler to use inter-domain, but you can still pass IMs and dialogues from one to another. Likewise, we expect the ATOCA system to meet a different set of trade-offs than CMAS, but still allow alerts to move back and forth. --Richard On Apr 7, 2010, at 4:21 PM, DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW) wrote: > We are just stating that ATOCA contradicts the CMAS (& EAS) rules, as > well as iPAWS and DMOpen architectures, and thus is in a different > class. Thus we believe we do need to be up front in the charter and > nto > to confuse the industry. > > Brian > > -----Original Message----- > From: Brian Rosen [mailto:br@brianrosen.net] > Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 1:18 PM > To: DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW); ken carlberg; SENNETT, DEWAYNE A > (ATTCINW) > Cc: Hannes Tschofenig; earlywarning@ietf.org > Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Discussions > > In what way would any RFC not have to meet that requirement? > > I understand that you are concerned that this work overlaps layer 2 > specific > solutions. However, there is no need to explicitly put this work in > second > class. It's not going to affect any words in a protocol > specification. > If > there is a regulatory requirement that makes ATOCA compliant > implementations, like any other service, subservient in some way to > some > other service, so be it. The charter, and the spec, don't need to say > that; > it's always true. > > Brian > > > > > On 4/7/10 3:56 PM, "DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)" <BD2985@att.com> wrote: > >> The second is more than a market decision - it is an interaction with > a >> regulatory requirement. >> >> Perhaps a better way to phrase is as follows: >> >> "Additionally, ATOCA will not interfere with nor replace solutions >> designed to meet regulatory requirements for any authority to citizen >> alerting of any access technology." >> >> Brian Daly >> AT&T >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: earlywarning-bounces@ietf.org >> [mailto:earlywarning-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ken carlberg >> Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 12:48 PM >> To: SENNETT, DEWAYNE A (ATTCINW) >> Cc: Hannes Tschofenig; earlywarning@ietf.org >> Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Discussions >> >> >> On Apr 7, 2010, at 11:30 AM, SENNETT, DEWAYNE A (ATTCINW) wrote: >> >>> "The ATOCA solutions will not adversely affect the ability of any >> access >>> technology to provide emergency services to the citizens (e.g. 9-1-1 >>> calls) or to provide communication services to first responders or >> other >>> authorized emergency services personnel. Additionally, ATOCA is not >>> replacement solution for any authority to citizen alerting supported >> by >>> any access technology." >> >> given the previous thread on this list, I'm a bit leery of that first >> sentence. But, if it were agreed to add it in, then I would expect > the >> individuals who make a claim that an ATOCA solution adversely affects >> 9-1-1 type calls will be required to prove it instead of simply > stating >> a position. >> >> as for the second sentence, that is out of scope of the IETF. any >> deployment of what is considered an ATOCA solution is a market > decision. >> >> -ken >> >> _______________________________________________ >> earlywarning mailing list >> earlywarning@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning >> _______________________________________________ >> earlywarning mailing list >> earlywarning@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning > > > _______________________________________________ > earlywarning mailing list > earlywarning@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning
- [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Discuss… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… SENNETT, DEWAYNE A (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… ken carlberg
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Brian Rosen
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Marc Linsner
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Marc Linsner
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Marc Linsner
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Brian Rosen
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… SENNETT, DEWAYNE A (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Marc Linsner
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… MUSGROVE, CHARLES P (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Richard Barnes
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… SENNETT, DEWAYNE A (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Richard Barnes
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… SENNETT, DEWAYNE A (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… James M. Polk
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… James M. Polk
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Brian Rosen
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Richard Barnes
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Janet P Gunn
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Brian Rosen
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Richard Barnes
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Janet P Gunn
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… ken carlberg
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Padma Valluri
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Brian Rosen
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Padma Valluri
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… creed
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… MUSGROVE, CHARLES P (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… creed
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… creed