Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Discussions
"SENNETT, DEWAYNE A (ATTCINW)" <DS2225@att.com> Wed, 07 April 2010 20:21 UTC
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In regards to the comment on the first sentence, all services have to be evaluated for impact before they are implemented in any live environment. However, a service that is designed from the beginning with no consideration of the impacts to the access technologies is a very badly designed service. ATOCA will have an adverse effect to at least some of the access technologies and if ATOCA is designed without any considerations of the capabilities and limitations of the access technologies, it will fail and it will cause adverse effects to the access technologies. The proof of network congestion already exists. This is demonstrated repeatedly as "all circuits busy" error responses, dropped calls, fast-busy tones, delayed delivery of SMS messages, etc. Since ATOCA is the new communications entity beginning proposed, the burden of proof is on ATOCA to prove that it will not adversely impact any of the associated access technologies. DeWayne -----Original Message----- From: earlywarning-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:earlywarning-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of ken carlberg Sent: Wednesday, April 07, 2010 12:48 PM To: SENNETT, DEWAYNE A (ATTCINW) Cc: Hannes Tschofenig; earlywarning@ietf.org Subject: Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Discussions On Apr 7, 2010, at 11:30 AM, SENNETT, DEWAYNE A (ATTCINW) wrote: > "The ATOCA solutions will not adversely affect the ability of any access > technology to provide emergency services to the citizens (e.g. 9-1-1 > calls) or to provide communication services to first responders or other > authorized emergency services personnel. Additionally, ATOCA is not > replacement solution for any authority to citizen alerting supported by > any access technology." given the previous thread on this list, I'm a bit leery of that first sentence. But, if it were agreed to add it in, then I would expect the individuals who make a claim that an ATOCA solution adversely affects 9-1-1 type calls will be required to prove it instead of simply stating a position. as for the second sentence, that is out of scope of the IETF. any deployment of what is considered an ATOCA solution is a market decision. -ken _______________________________________________ earlywarning mailing list earlywarning@ietf.org https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/earlywarning
- [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Discuss… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… SENNETT, DEWAYNE A (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… ken carlberg
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Brian Rosen
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Marc Linsner
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Marc Linsner
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Marc Linsner
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Brian Rosen
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… SENNETT, DEWAYNE A (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Marc Linsner
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Henning Schulzrinne
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… MUSGROVE, CHARLES P (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Richard Barnes
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… SENNETT, DEWAYNE A (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Richard Barnes
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… SENNETT, DEWAYNE A (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… James M. Polk
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… James M. Polk
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Brian Rosen
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Richard Barnes
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Janet P Gunn
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Brian Rosen
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Richard Barnes
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Janet P Gunn
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… ken carlberg
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Padma Valluri
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Brian Rosen
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… Padma Valluri
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DALY, BRIAN K (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… creed
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… MUSGROVE, CHARLES P (ATTCINW)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… creed
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… DRAGE, Keith (Keith)
- Re: [earlywarning] Finishing the Charter Text Dis… creed