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Re: [EAT] [Rats] Attestation BoF charter updates? - Program of Work section

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From: Marcus Streets <Marcus.Streets@arm.com>
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Subject: Re: [EAT] [Rats] Attestation BoF charter updates? - Program of Work section
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That is an argument for never fixing anything.

We can define a CBOR format for certificates and recommend people use it.
If that creates a need, service providers will offer to sell certificates in the correct format.



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From: EAT <eat-bounces@ietf.org> On Behalf Of Carl Wallace
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2018 2:47 PM
To: Laurence Lundblade <lgl@island-resort.com>; Smith, Ned <ned.smith@intel.com>
Cc: Eric Voit (evoit) <evoit@cisco.com>; Jeremy O'Donoghue <jodonogh@qti.qualcomm.com>; eat@ietf.org; Michael Richardson <mcr+ietf@sandelman.ca>; rats@ietf.org; Henk Birkholz <henk.birkholz@sit.fraunhofer.de>
Subject: Re: [EAT] [Rats] Attestation BoF charter updates? - Program of Work section


On 10/25/18, 9:15 AM, "RATS on behalf of Laurence Lundblade"
<rats-bounces@ietf.org on behalf of lgl@island-resort.com> wrote:

><snip>
>
>So I am making some argument against ASN.1 and anything beyond JSON and
>CBOR.  The more formats there are the more work the relying parties
>will have to do and of course some won’t implement all the formats and
>then we’ll have less interop.

[CW] At least where the claims are related to cryptographic keys, ASN.1 is likely unavoidable as it's part of the environment. Avoiding it is not likely to help interop.


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