Re: [Ecn-in-quic] ECN-in-Quic w/ ABE

Ingemar Johansson S <ingemar.s.johansson@ericsson.com> Thu, 22 March 2018 18:54 UTC

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Subject: Re: [Ecn-in-quic] ECN-in-Quic w/ ABE
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Hi

My opinion is that is that this should follow the guidelines in the ABE draft. The proposed QUIC ECN pseudo code also opens up for this as it specifies a separate back-off factor  kMarkReductionFactor. 
https://github.com/quicwg/base-drafts/wiki/ECN-in-QUIC#recovery-draft-ecn-ce-reaction 

BR
Ingemar 

> -----Original Message-----
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> Subject: [Ecn-in-quic] ECN-in-Quic w/ ABE
> 
> Just a quick note to those present here:
> 
> ABE (Alternative Backoff for ECN) is past WGLC in TCPM, allowing a
> differntiated CC control between ECN and Loss - to incentivise the
> deployment of ECN.
> 
> Since Quic uses Cubic, the guidance given there for differential reaction
> between loss and ECN marks would be directly applicable...
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> Best regards,
>   Richard
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