Re: [Ecrit] Charter & Milestones update - Comments sought
Roger Marshall <RMarshall@telecomsys.com> Mon, 21 October 2013 17:40 UTC
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I think these suggested changes in the text are reasonable, since they reach beyond NENA's span (North America only). I'll plan to make this change to the Charter & add to the Milestones. -roger. From: ecrit-bounces@ietf.org [mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org] On Behalf Of Gunnar Hellstrom Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 4:53 PM To: Gellens, Randall Cc: ecrit@ietf.org Subject: Re: [Ecrit] Charter & Milestones update - Comments sought An addition could be made to this sentence: "Further, it must be possible for multiple delegations within a jurisdiction to be handled independently, as call routing for specific emergency types may be handled independently." To "Further, it must be possible for multiple delegations within a jurisdiction to be handled independently, as call routing for specific emergency types, media types, language contents etc. may be routed differently depending on established policies and availability." And in the goals list include: xxx 2014 - Submit a draft 'Policy based routing in Emergency Services' to the IESG for consideration as a Standards Track RFC Regards Gunnar ________________________________ Gunnar Hellström Omnitor gunnar.hellstrom@omnitor.se<mailto:gunnar.hellstrom@omnitor.se> +46708204288 On 2013-10-13 19:22, Gellens, Randall wrote: The current NENA document on policy-based routing only deals with legacy capabilities (that is, call diversion/exception handling). The NENA group intends to produce a version two that covers NG9-1-1 (NENA i3) capabilities with the enhancements for call processing including media and other needs. ________________________________________ From: ecrit-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org> [ecrit-bounces@ietf.org<mailto:ecrit-bounces@ietf.org>] on behalf of Hannes Tschofenig [hannes.tschofenig@gmx.net<mailto:hannes.tschofenig@gmx.net>] Sent: Sunday, October 13, 2013 9:50 AM To: Gunnar Hellstrom Cc: ecrit@ietf.org<mailto:ecrit@ietf.org> Subject: Re: [Ecrit] Charter & Milestones update - Comments sought Hi Gunnar, that's fine with me but where do you want to add this remark in the charter text Roger proposed? Also, do we have any specific document in progress that is impacted by policy based routing? Ciao Hannes On 13.10.2013 19:37, Gunnar Hellstrom wrote: Hi, Policy based routing was once said to enable routing based on for example media requirements and capabilities to specific PSAPs equipped or educated for such calls. In latest NENA spec for policy based routing, only PSAP availability is mentioned as reason to route. I do not remember that we have anything sufficiently explicit from IETF on this topic, and suggest to include it in the goals. Thanks, Gunnar ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Gunnar Hellström Omnitor gunnar.hellstrom@omnitor.se<mailto:gunnar.hellstrom@omnitor.se> +46708204288 On 2013-10-13 11:59, Hannes Tschofenig wrote: Hi Roger, thanks for working on the updated charter text. The text is fine for me; I only have a few minor suggestions. On 04.10.2013 21:18, Roger Marshall wrote: The ECRIT working group agreed that the chairs would propose updated language to the wg charter, along with milestone data changes. Compare this to the original charter found at: http://tools.ietf.org/wg/ecrit/charters. Please send your comments to the list, whether in favor, or with alternative wording and/or dates. Regards, Roger Marshall/Marc Linsner ECRIT Chairs ECRIT charter (w/proposed revisions): Description of Working Group: In a number of areas, the public switched telephone network (PSTN) has been configured to recognize an explicitly specified number (usually one that is short and easily memorized) as a request for emergency services. These numbers (e.g., 911, 112) are related to an emergency service context and depend on a broad, regional configuration of service contact methods and a geographically-constrained approach for service delivery. These calls are intended to be delivered to special call centers equipped to manage emergency response. Successful delivery of an emergency service call within those systems requires an association of both the physical location of the originating device along with appropriate call routing to an emergency service center. Calls placed using Internet technologies do not use the same systems Mentioned above to achieve those same goals, and the common use of overlay networks and tunnels (either as VPNs or for mobility) makes meeting these goals even more challenging. There are, however, Internet technologies available to manage location and to perform call routing. This working group will describe where and how these mechanisms may be used. The group will show how the availability of location data and call routing information at different steps in the call session setup would enable communication between a user and a relevant emergency response center. Though the term "call routing" is used in this document, it should be understood that some of the mechanisms which will be described might be used to enable other types of media streams. Video and text messaging, for example, might be used to request emergency services. I would omit this last sentence. I also believe that the term "document" isn't appropriate here. Beyond human initiated emergency call request mechanisms, this group will develop new methods to request emergency assistance, such as sensor initiated emergency requests, and additional processes specified that address topics such as authentication of location, service URN definition and use, augmented information that could assist emergency call takers or responders. s/"authentication of location"/"trustworthy location" Explicitly outside the scope of this group is the question of pre-emption or prioritization of emergency services traffic. This group is considering emergency services calls which might be made by any user of the Internet, as opposed to government or military services that may impose very different authentication and routing requirements. While this group anticipates a close working relationship with groups such as NENA and ETSI EMTEL, any solution presented must be useful You should add "EENA" and "3GPP" here as well and replace ETSI EMTEL with "ETSI" since we are now dealing also with other groups in ETSI in addition to EMTEL. regardless of jurisdiction, and it must be possible to use without requiring a single, central authority. Further, it must be possible for multiple delegations within a jurisdiction to be handled independently, as call routing for specific emergency types may be handled independently. This working group cares about privacy and security concerns, and will address them within its documents. Milestones w/revised status/dates, as proposed Done - Submit 'Public Safety Answering Point (PSAP) Callbacks' to the IESG for consideration as an Informational RFC Nov 2013 - Submit 'Trustworthy Location Information' to the IESG for consideration as an Informational RFC Dec 2013 - Submit 'Additional Data related to a Call for Emergency Call Purposes' to the IESG for consideration as a Standards Track RFC Nov 2013 - Submit 'Common Alerting Protocol (CAP) based Data-Only Emergency Alerts using the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP)' to the IESG for consideration as an Experimental RFC Dec 2013 - Submit 'Extensions to the Emergency Services Architecture for dealing with Unauthenticated and Unauthorized Devices' to the IESG for consideration I thought that this document has been sent to the IESG already. as a Standards Track RFC Dec 2013 - Submit a draft 'Policy for defining new service-identifying labels' to the IESG for consideration as BCP Mar 2014 - Submit 'Using Imprecise Location for Emergency Call Routing' to the IESG for consideration as an Informational RFC Dec 2013 - Submit a draft 'URN For Country Specific Emergency Services' to the IESG for consideration as a Standards Track RFC I believe you should also list all other concluded documents as well (and mark them as done). 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- [Ecrit] Charter & Milestones update - Comments so… Roger Marshall
- Re: [Ecrit] Charter & Milestones update - Comment… Randall Gellens
- Re: [Ecrit] Charter & Milestones update - Comment… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [Ecrit] Charter & Milestones update - Comment… Gunnar Hellstrom
- Re: [Ecrit] Charter & Milestones update - Comment… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [Ecrit] Charter & Milestones update - Comment… Gellens, Randall
- Re: [Ecrit] Charter & Milestones update - Comment… Gunnar Hellstrom
- Re: [Ecrit] Charter & Milestones update - Comment… Hannes Tschofenig
- Re: [Ecrit] Charter & Milestones update - Comment… Gellens, Randall
- Re: [Ecrit] Charter & Milestones update - Comment… Roger Marshall
- Re: [Ecrit] Charter & Milestones update - Comment… Randall Gellens
- Re: [Ecrit] Charter & Milestones update - Comment… Richard Barnes
- Re: [Ecrit] Charter & Milestones update - Comment… Roger Marshall
- Re: [Ecrit] Charter & Milestones update - Comment… Roger Marshall
- Re: [Ecrit] Charter & Milestones update - Comment… Randall Gellens
- Re: [Ecrit] Charter & Milestones update - Comment… Richard Barnes
- Re: [Ecrit] Charter & Milestones update - Comment… Randall Gellens
- Re: [Ecrit] Charter & Milestones update - Comment… Roger Marshall
- Re: [Ecrit] Charter & Milestones update - Comment… Randall Gellens
- Re: [Ecrit] Charter & Milestones update - Comment… Roger Marshall
- Re: [Ecrit] Charter & Milestones update - Comment… Randall Gellens