Re: [Ecrit] [IANA #658921] General Request for Assignment (urn-serviceid-labels)

["Rosen, Brian" <[e-mail]>]

It's the FBI, not DoD.  The US Marshall service is indeed a special case, and there could be similar organizations elsewhere.

Other examples abound - there are traffic police in some areas.  There is the notion of some "County Sheriff" who is not a regular police force, but has specialized duties such as court summons service and escorting prisoners.  

But nearly every country has some sort of a national police force with broader powers.  In the U.S., that is the FBI.  

Brian

On Mar 19, 2013, at 2:16 PM, James Polk <[e-mail]> wrote:

> Brian (and all)
> 
> Riddle me this
> 
> "local" is ambiguous in your opinion and "national" isn't?
> 
> Take in the US for instance, would "national" be synonymous with "federal"?
> 
> Or more specifically, who would urn:service:sos.police.national be contacting?
> 
> - the US Marshall service?
> - the FBI?
> - ATF/DEA?
> - the US Army?
> - the US Navy?
> - the US Marines?
> - or the US DoD hotline for them to decide which service to send out (kinda like a PSAP)
> - some other national organization (e.g., military police, NCIS, etc)
> 
> In my view, national = federal, but it might not be in everyone's view.
> 
> James
> 
> At 11:46 AM 3/19/2013, Rosen, Brian wrote:
>> Yes
>> 
>> In my opinion, urn:service:sos.police.national should be registered, although I would prefer the term "country" for reasons detailed below.
>> 
>> I do not believe urn:service:sos.police.local should be registered, because the term "local" is ambiguous in many countries and regions.  In some areas, there are multiple levels of "local" that may have separate service URLs.  For example, you could have state, county and municipal police agencies, any of which could be considered "local".
>> 
>> While an expert does not usually supply alternatives, I think the ecrit work group has considered the suggestion to use the "A" levels in PIDF-LO to denote the levels of "local".  So, for example, urn:service:sos.police.a2 would be the county police, assuming A1 was state, A2 was county and A3 was city.  One could speculate whether urn:service:sos.police.a6 (neighborhood) was useful for anything, but there are "neighborhood watch" organizations that might qualify, and "vigilante" is probably not a good registration.
>> 
>> Using the "A" levels leads you to use "country" as that is the top level name for the field in PIDF-LO.  "national" is an obvious synonym, and I think it's okay to use it.
>> 
>> However, "local" is ambiguous.
>> 
>> Brian
>> 
>> On Mar 19, 2013, at 12:32 PM, Marc Linsner <[e-mail]>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> > Brian,
>> >
>> > Would you please provide a review of this IANA request for registrations.
>> >
>> > Thanks,
>> >
>> > Marc & Roger
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Amanda Baber via RT <[e-mail]>
>> > Reply-To: <[e-mail]>
>> > Date: Friday, February 15, 2013 6:34 PM
>> > Cc: <[e-mail]>
>> > Subject: [IANA #658921] General Request for Assignment
>> > (urn-serviceid-labels)
>> > Resent-From: <[e-mail]>
>> > Resent-To: <[e-mail]>, <[e-mail]>
>> > Resent-Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2013 23:22:12 +0000
>> >
>> >> Dear Marc and Roger,
>> >>
>> >> IANA just received a request for two registrations in the 'sos'
>> >> Sub-Services registry at
>> >> http://www.iana.org/assignments/urn-serviceid-labels, which has the ECRIT
>> >> working group listed as its expert reviewer.
>> >>
>> >> Can you ask the working group to review the request below? If these are
>> >> OK, how should we fill out the Description fields in the registry?
>> >>
>> >> thanks,
>> >>
>> >> Amanda Baber
>> >> IANA Request Specialist
>> >> ICANN
>> >>
>> >> ===
>> >>
>> >> Contact Name:
>> >> Ivo Sedlacek
>> >>
>> >> Contact Email:
>> >> [e-mail]
>> >>
>> >> Type of Assignment:
>> >> Assignment of an service URN with the 'sos' service type as specified in
>> >> RFC5031, section 4.2.
>> >>
>> >> The following service URNs are proposed to be registered:
>> >> - urn:service:sos.police.local - The 'police.local' service refers to the
>> >> emergency service offered by the police department or other law
>> >> enforcement authorities of the local or municipal authorities.
>> >> - urn:service:sos.police.national - The 'police.national' service refers
>> >> to the emergency service offered by the police department or other law
>> >> enforcement authorities of the national government.
>> >>
>> >> Registry:
>> >> Service URN Labels, 'sos' Sub-Services as shown at
>> >> http://www.iana.org/assignments/urn-serviceid-labels/urn-serviceid-labels.
>> >> xml
>> >>
>> >> Description:
>> >> In the Czech republic and Poland, there are two public safety answering
>> >> points (PSAP) offering the police related emergency services. The PSAP of
>> >> the municipal police and the PSAP of the national police. There is
>> >> currently no way how to distinguish whether the user wishes to contact
>> >> the PSAP of the municipal police or the PSAP of the national police.
>> >>
>> >> In Czech, the related regulation is
>> >> http://aplikace.mvcr.cz/sbirka-zakonu/ViewFile.aspx?type=c&id=5134 pages
>> >> 9 and 10 section 4.5 which lists the number 156 for "Obecní policie" (=
>> >> municipal police) and the numbers 158 for "Policie Èeské republiky" (=
>> >> Czech republic police). Both numbers are listed with note 2) which states
>> >> "Èíslo je národním èíslem pro tísòové volání" (= the number is a national
>> >> number for emergency calls).
>> >>
>> >> In Poland,
>> >> http://uke.gov.pl/tablice-numerow-kierowania-alarmowego-nka-9410 lists
>> >> the number 986 for "stra¿ miejska" (= municipal police) and the number
>> >> 997 for Policja (= police) as "numery alarmowe" (= emergency numbers).
>> >>
>> >> Additional Info:
>> >> The registry is defined by RFC5031, section 4.2
>> >
>> >
>> 
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