[Edm] Topics for December EDM call

Tommy Pauly <tpauly@apple.com> Wed, 09 December 2020 04:57 UTC

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Subject: [Edm] Topics for December EDM call
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Hello EDM,

As a reminder, we have a call scheduled on 2020-12-10 from 13:30 to 14:30 PST.

WebEx here: https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=me719430c7594fc941add4a7ae8c456fa <https://ietf.webex.com/ietf/j.php?MTID=me719430c7594fc941add4a7ae8c456fa>

For the call, we’ll focus on some of the topics brought up in draft-iab-use-it-or-lose-it.

Any thoughts or ideas people have on those topics is quite welcome. I’ve also brought up a few specific topic on the EDM GitHub that can guide our discussion. Please take a look and comment on these prior to the call if possible!

- What makes a version negotiation mechanism successful? https://github.com/intarchboard/edm/issues/8 <https://github.com/intarchboard/edm/issues/8>
- Tradeoffs of different failure modes for extension points, https://github.com/intarchboard/edm/issues/9 <https://github.com/intarchboard/edm/issues/9>
- How should we coordinate greasing experiments? https://github.com/intarchboard/edm/issues/4 <https://github.com/intarchboard/edm/issues/4>
- Can greasing mechanisms avoid reserving or coordinating "fake" values? https://github.com/intarchboard/edm/issues/7 <https://github.com/intarchboard/edm/issues/7>

Best,
Tommy