Re: [edu-discuss] Is the EDU team ossified?

[John C Klensin <[e-mail]>]

--On Tuesday, April 02, 2013 13:20 -0500 Spencer Dawkins
<[e-mail]> wrote:

>  > It seems you think that the
>> Tao and newcomer's training are not at all adequate.
> 
> At least on the newcomer's training, I thought I was hearing
> that the newcomer's training wasn't inadequate, just that it
> might be more comprehensive than someone attending their first
> IETF meeting might need (or be able to absorb).

And to include some unnecessarily-complicated and/or
controversial stuff and to omit some basic survival skills.  I'm
prepared to believe that the tradeoffs between what is included
and what isn't are reasonable given time, but I think the key to
getting things right (or more right) is to focus strictly on
survival and navigational materials on Sunday (or Monday),
leaving the organizational details and related material that
dominate the current presentation for the end of the week or the
second time around.

>From other threads, it sounds like "survival skills" should also
include pig-resistance skills and how/where to ask for help.

I still owe Scott (and anyone else here who is interested)
nit-picking comments on the Orlando presentation.  Maybe late
this week.

> I know I hope that most IETF participants pick up what's in
> the newcomer's training, and sooner is probably better than
> later - only that they might not need to pick it up before the
> 9 AM Monday session starts :-)

Agreed.  See above.

   john